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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:37 am 
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More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...


So you are saying that the 10 shootings a day in Chicago will now increase with this verdict and the streets of Chicago will deteriorate into the Wild West?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:48 am 
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...


So you are saying that the 10 shootings a day in Chicago will now increase with this verdict and the streets of Chicago will deteriorate into the Wild West?


I didn't say that at all but I can understand why a person, such as yourself, would see that posted there.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...


So you are saying that the 10 shootings a day in Chicago will now increase with this verdict and the streets of Chicago will deteriorate into the Wild West?



The lawless, bloodbath, gun fighting kill zone that is portrayed in popular media is more myth than fact.


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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...


So you are saying that the 10 shootings a day in Chicago will now increase with this verdict and the streets of Chicago will deteriorate into the Wild West?


I didn't say that at all but I can understand why a person, such as yourself, would see that posted there.


Let's break down what you said:

Krazy Ivan: "More harm than good".

To me, and most people, this means that gun violence will increase with this verdict. Because if it were not to increase, then there really wouldn't be more harm then, would there? So, you are saying that daily shooting would increase.

Krazy Ivan: "For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story..."

These exact scenarios were quite common in the Wild West. And your sentences indicates that these scenarios will see a steep increase in these incidents. Further, the tone of your sentence makes it apparent that you think that people will be brandishing weapons all over the place. So, it would appear that you are stating that there will be a deterioration in today's society which results in these situations, similar to that of the Wild West.


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VICTORY!!! Suck it, 2nd Amendment haters. This is a great day for America. If I hear one of you people playing that loud noise in your car, I'll be forced to defend myself and my ears. #Truth

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...


You watch your mouth! Sir, the only way to stop gun violence is by putting more guns on the street. This is a proven fact! #Truth

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Lawmakers already said they can limit who can and where they can carry concealed.

Don't celebrate just yet.

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To me, and most people, this means



See. There in lies the problem. You need to stop thinking that everyone shares your opinions or thoughts. First, read what is posted and second.....try not to create an argument out of thin air which you assume "most people" agree with you. You thought that was what I was saying. You were wrong.

In my opinion, concealed weapons are about as much of a deterent as capital punishment. The only thing that may change is a mugger might want to just kill you first instead of demanding you hand over your wallet. Less messy that way...

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
To me, and most people, this means



See. There in lies the problem. You need to stop thinking that everyone shares your opinions or thoughts. First, read what is posted and second.....try not to create an argument out of thin air which you assume "most people" agree with you. You thought that was what I was saying. You were wrong.

In my opinion, concealed weapons are about as much of a deterent as capital punishment. The only thing that may change is a mugger might want to just kill you first instead of demanding you hand over your wallet. Less messy that way...


Ok. Please define "more harm" for me. Apparently, I'm the only one who thinks this means an increase in harm.


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Ok. Please define "more harm" for me. Apparently, I'm the only one who thinks this means an increase in harm.


I'll try.

This....decision.....will.......have.....more.....negative.....impact.....than......positive.


Better?

Oh, and that is strictly my opinion. I do not know, or care, if "most people" share it. I hate guns. I really hate handguns. I'm not looking to change anyone's mind on the matter. I just threw in my $.02 like everyone else does. It's not a popular opinion, but who gives a shit? It's mine...

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More Legal Guns, Far Fewer Murders, Despite Post-Heller Fearmongering

Brian Doherty|Dec. 11, 2012 9:40 am

"More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," D.C's then-Mayor Adrian Fenty said after the Supreme Court's 2008 ruling in the Heller case, a ruling that overthrew the district's handgun ban.

A few years later:

The District is poised to finish the year with fewer than 100 murders for the first time since 1963, and neighboring Prince George's County likely will post its lowest homicide total in 25 years.

The "murder capital" of the United States two decades ago, the District has had 79 murders so far this year, according to police records. The annual number has been declining steadily since 2008...



Correlation is not causation, past guarantees are no promise of future performance, and less than a couple of thousand D.C. residents appear to have tried to get their post-Heller legal weapons.

Still, fears that better legal access to guns would lead to more gun violence were dead wrong in D.C., and Virginia as well.

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More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...
And thats just the stories that involve the police.

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More harm than good. For every "this guy protected himself" story, there about five more "this jag accidently killed someone" stories. Or my personal favorite "shooting an unarmed person" story...
And thats just the stories that involve the police.

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Ivan, with Illinois being the last state in the union to allow CC... did all these negative things happen in other states?
I think Wisconsin was the last one to fall... did anything overly negative happen there since then?

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Ivan, with Illinois being the last state in the union to allow CC... did all these negative things happen in other states?
I think Wisconsin was the last one to fall... did anything overly negative happen there since then?

Wisconsin had a domestic incident.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi- ... 8792.story

Problem with your link is that he was illegally carrying weapons. He was breaking the law by having them.

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Illinois was the only state that did not allow it's citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon with a permit until now. All those other states have not experienced dramatic increases in gun related crimes, so why should Illinois? Perhaps it will help law abiding citizens to halt some violent crimes and prove to be a real help in fighting some crimes. I'll be one of the first to apply for such a permit.

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I'll be one of the first to apply for such a permit.


Darko, it's time to rethink our position on this issue.

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Everybody is pissed until another Waco, Ruby Ridge, or Elian Gonzalez happen.


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I bet those weren't even kids that were "murdered". I think I saw one of them in Elf.

Dagnab guvermint.

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Isn't it incredible that, not two days after this comes down, we have a drastic shift in this movement to the left?

Nobody thinks this was the least bit peculiar?

Heard of M K U L T R A, anyone? . . . and that was almost 60 years ago! You don't think that they have perfected that shit by now?

You believe whatever they're feeding you, even though mysterious circumstances abound (2nd shooter allegedly at scene, alleged discrepancies in guns actually carried and shell casings found, numerous story scrubbing and changing by the mass media, the abject political timing [after election, before Holidays, RIGHT AFTER big Fed Court Ruling on last holdout CC state] and effect, etc.)?


Where does this unhealthy obsession with the government come from?

What is the genesis of it?

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I posted in another thread and you asked me for personal information. This after asking me in the past for personal info through PM's...And I have an obsession with you?

Just another "coincidence" I'm sure.

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