IMU, are you seriously saying that more laws on concealed carry would have prevented this ?????

yeah because the laws on conceal carry have prevented the 8 murdered, 20 wounded that is in the paper every single week here

I would like to ask the people that are pro guns and don't want to give up their right to bear arms what their solution is then in curbing gun violence?

That is all.

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More guns.

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and what's yours ?

because strict gun laws obviously don't do shit. if someone wants to get a gun and kill someone than they're going to do it whether its legal or not.

so how would you stop said person?

i think the thing is , and its unfortunate, is that people who desire to commit these type of horrible acts are going to find a way to do it regardless of any kind of laws. so...how do you stop them? you really can't. you can make laws for anything and people are going to break them. it's nature sure, but people always want to search for a solution where we can 100% guarantee said tragedy will never happen again and the fact is we can't. crazy people exist and they're going to do crazy things

ha, funny

arm 6 year olds right

Give more guns of all kinds for all people. No restrictions or training for these people either.

Are their rights not also protected under this once great Constitution?

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I didn't realize a constitutionally guaranteed freedom was contingent upon unwarranted sanctimony.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

The proof gun laws don't work? Do you watch the news? Do you see how many people were affected by gun violence in Chicago during the nations most restrictive gun bans? How about how dc, equally restrictive to chicago, was the murder capital of the world for years and years.
Gun laws never stopped criminals from owning guns. The only stop people who obey the law from owning guns. That's a fact.

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If the problem isn't the guns, it has to be the people.

Americans must be more violent and have less regard for human life than the rest of the civilized world.

I don't know how to fix that.

We're just fucked I guess.

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[quote="Chris_in_joliet"]I would like to ask the people that are pro guns and don't want to give up their right to bear arms what their solution is then in curbing gun violence?

That is all.[/quote]
Recognizing sick people. Better fucking parenting would help too. Big time.
Like I've said before, there are 280 million guns in the country. The overwhealming vast majority of them are used and owned peacefully. Should we tell 200 million americans that they no longer deserve their constitutional rights because of a small handful of sick assholes?

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Dude you're better than that. No on says that. No one believes that.
Even the most pro gun people fully understand and endorse common sense gun laws.
I fully endorse bans on automatic weapons. I actually agree that there's little use for ar15 or ak 47's and I'm very pro2nd amendment.
Please don't make gross jimmyreardonesque mistepresentaions to make the counter argument sound silly with arguments they've never made. Its not right.

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When you simpletons want to actually attempt to learn a little something about how things actually work, take this study for a spin.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I agree. People are the problem. Pussy ass parenting and nonexistant parenting are a major contributor. We're a very "me first" and "I'm a victim" society. That's a contributing factor.

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This is true. There are just fucked up people in this world and there is only so much the rest of the world can do to stop them.

Without reading this, can I get the conclusion please?

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a simpleton.

Cool.

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No ... people who just want to find the easiest answer to a real problem - regardless of whether it's actually going to help - are, in fact, simpletons.

But please, don't let me stand in the way of a good mob-mentality chanting session. After all, activity means accomplishment, and as long as somebody yells enough it counts for something, and if we don't react immediately without planning then the blood of those children will yell from the ground or however the fuck opportunistic people want to characterize the situation as.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

And when you chuckleheads are done with Don's article, here's an article that I Googled myself about violence and mental illness. Ask sombody to read this to you, too:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/

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Huge strawman, not surprising.

Your "comment" is so totally stupid that I have to believe you're a mult.


You're a mult, right?

fuck

Dumb. Dumb. DUMB. DUMB.

Is this a "cute" post?

Which "Constitutional Rights" don't apply?

Which ones aren't applicable?

Tell us, please?


Search and seizure? Warrantless wire tapes? Tapping phones/email/texts without a warrant?

Freedom of speech? religion? How about your right to privacy? How about soldiers bunking up in your house?

Which ones are OK, that is what we want to know.

It's not guns, it's society. A society that's fucking nuts about guns.

Too funny.

I asked you a question....


Which constitutional rights should we retract? You said it yourself that some don't translate well.....so, which ones get the boot?

The fastest way to curb gun violence would be to get people to value human life. But that is not gonna happen anytime soon. Kids are getting shot for things being wrote on facebook and twitter or do to "disrespect" or perceived disrespect. I had a former player get shot this summer by his cousin's boyfriend. Him and the cousin got into an argument, the boyfriend came over, they started arguing and he shot him. He survived but didn't even think what happened to him was out of the ordinary. How do you change that mentality?

Another problem is our society lack of care about mental illness. In fact our Governor has closed down even more facilities in the past year leaving these people out and about rooming the streets.

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Easy explosives. Do not need a permit or really even leave your house. A good bomb can be brewed in your home in about 10 min.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Seriously, can we just get all the people arguing in favor of guns (I don't know how else you want me to state it without offending you) to just admit that you just don't want your guns taken away, regardless of how many lives it could save? Darkside did it.

There is no way in hell you would go to these lengths to make a futile argument about how increased guns don't lead to an increased number of deaths if you didn't have a vested interested or ideological agenda involved. It is wrong, based on both common sense and statistics. The examples cited for individual cities are bad arguments because they are a) a small sample size and b) don't have data for a before/after death rate (before and after the stricter gun laws were passed). It makes no sense to quote a city which has a high number of homicides and strict gun laws because there's no way of telling if they wouldn't have had MORE deaths if not for the gun laws.

For God sakes, just come out and say you don't want the government taking your guns, regardless of the number of lives it might save.

Lastly, SomeGuy keeps referencing strawman arguments. The most insulting and ridiculous strawman presented by "pro gun" in this argument is that there is anyone arguing that stricter gun laws would prevent ALL deaths. No one is saying or ever will say that. They are saying it would likely prevent SOME deaths. The worldwide data would seem to concur with this:

http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abstrac ... rm.35.aspx

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With you 110%. What would Romney do?

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

What other rights should we take away?
I think there's only been one repealed amendment. And it was a dumb one in the firat place.
I think you're outnof your mind if you think any of th BOR amendments should be repealed.

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