I just don't get how the Lovie and Cutler angst can build to something like this.
Those who want to see Lovie go do not appear to have a reasonable solution. Cowher? Sean Payton (gone). Andy Reid (really?).
Then the Cutler bashers -- like Hub -- propose a possible draft trade then don't seem to have someone in mind in rookie class to use the higher pick.
Guys like Rozner and Rosie, Lovie's 80-63 mark is a mirage -- full of luck. He only has three playoff wins in nine years. Enough already.
Neither Lovie or Cutler are destined for Canton at this point, but that doesn't mean they suck either. I don't love either guy, but I'm not keen on an alternative either.

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I want a loss n total house cleaning...3 playoff wins in nine years is putrid ...especially. since a third of those playoff. Wins came against. The worst team in history to make the post season....13-39 against teams above 500 is abysmal ...wake up, this Guy will never win a ring here.

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As I previously stated, what guarantee is there that a "house clearning" will improve this team.
This seems more like change for change's sake. A total reclamation project could take years -- yes years -- to bear any fruit. This isn't Indy where a pro-QB in waiting is there for the taking in the draft. People are already pooh-poohing the Emery's first draft class -- a little premature in my eyes. The same people who are complaining about this regime will probably be the same ones swearing at their TV sets the next few possible rebuilding years.
Spin it -- and cherry pick facts -- but the guy is still 80-63 in nine seasons with just three losing records --- two of which were 7-9 seasons.
I contend that Angelo is the main reason this team hasn't developed to several Bears fans' expectations.
I'm just a bit concerned that this proposed reconstruction project could make this team a cellar dwellar for at least three or more seasons. Is that what everybody wants?

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I hope the Bears lose on Sunday.

I also hope the Bears lose, and lose badly.

It is time for Lovie to depart although Marinelli and maybe Toub are worth keeping.

I hope the Bears win the Superbowl this year, but I also hope they fire Lovie Smith regardless of what happens the rest of the way. Emery has the right to choose his own head coach.

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About that MRI I've been recommending...

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Exactly. The Bears need to raise the bar and no longer be satisfied with mediocrity. Expectations must be higher. Clean house and hire a President of Football operations and a head coach who know what the hell they are doing.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Lovie does know what he's doing. He's just clueless about offense. So were Cowher and Dungy. Those guys made it to the playoffs with subpar QBs before they got a QB, then they won the SuperBowl.

Lovie also caught bad luck because he entered a division where his main rival was led by 2 future HOF QBs(Favre and Rodgers).

He says he wants to his offense to score 21pts/game, that should bs good enough to secure a victory. Not anymore. You can never get enough offense, Lovie's is too conservative.


Other than bringing a Belichick -Pioli grading system, I'm not sure what so different about Emery. There was nobturnover among his directors of scouting and personnel. Most of the directors of scouting and personnel are Angelo's guys or are guys who have been here so long, some when he was here from 98-03.

Those two statements contradict each other.

Raise the bar from 80-63 for nine years, one SB appearance and two NFC championship appearances? Good luck on that one. If fans are willing to maybe endure a few four- or five-win seasons with the clearn-the-house approach -- fine. Is that really raising the bar? Blowing this thing up right now is a risky proposition -- that's all I'm saying.
Also, if Lovie returns, I'm not guaranteeing a better record next season. I don't know about that. It depends on the development of the younger players, the 2013 draft and possible free-agent moves.
Rooting for a loss today and the firing of Lovie might create more problems than it solves.

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Look. The players are old and the cupboard is bare. There are going to be seasons of pain in the Bears' future. Why put it off one more year? So we can have one last season of hoping to be competitive within the division before we start the rebuild in earnest? Just do it now. They're not winning anything this year or next.

And if you're saying that no coach can hope to surpass Lovie/Angelo's record of missing the playoffs a lot while finishing too well to draft high presuming you'd know how the hell to draft in the first place, then that's just sad, man. We should aspire to higher things than being .500-ish.

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In that vein, I believe, I'm rooting for whatever outcome has the best long-term effect on the organization .... beating the Lions tomorrow, in and of itself, doesn't mean thing friggin' one ... making the playoffs also doesn't appear to be any great shakes either.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Forget about X's & O's for a minute. The most damning evidence against Lovie are the horrible decisions that he has made as the head coach of the Bears. In any organization, senior Managers & leaders are payed to assemble a quality staff that will execute the plan that enables the organization to achieve & exceed their expectations. Lovie has failed miserably as a leader.
Lets review the personnel moves that Lovie has made; He hired Terrry Shea as OC in 2004. Shea was a disasater & was fired after 1 season. Ron Turner was re-hired as OC in 2005 & was replaced by Mike Martz in 2010. Martz was a disaster & was replaced by Mike Tice, who has been terrible. He fired Ron Rivera in 2007 (along with 4 assistant coaches) & replaced him with Babbich, which was a huge failure. Then he hired Marinelli, which is meh...
Lovie has struggled horribly to fill open OC & DC coordinator positions as well as assistant coach positions. People don't want to work for the guy.

Lovies list of player failures includes Adam Archuletta & Brandon Manameneuenememmeulla among others.

The bottom line is that a senior leader in an organization is worthless if he cant recruit, hire & retain quality staff members. Organizations with revolving doors in the personnel department never build a successful program. Lovie Smith brings zero stability & continuity to the Bears organization, & the annual OC & coaching changes is prohibitive to being successful.

Its time for a change.

Go Vikings!

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

I agree with everything you said about how Lovie is terrible at assembling and retaining a staff, but you have to be careful about drawing analogies between being a "senior leader in an organization," as in like a real organization, and the elaborate fantasyland of pro sports offices.

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The same basic leadership principles apply to any leader in any walk of life. Show me a leader with a lousy staff with lots of turnover, & I'll show you an organization that is never successful.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Kim: That voice? It sounds so familiar. It reminds me of when I was ayoung girl in Korea and I met an American businessman. He was a very unusual man. Quick temperd with a strange halting way of speaking. We fell in love but when I brought him home to meet my father? He refused to take his shoes off. And there was a terrible fight.

I don't know, all of Belichick's assistants prove themselves to be utter incompetents, and he goes through a lot of them as they're poached to go prove their incompetence.

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I really can't do it either Mr. Hernandez.

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Pitchers and catchers report in 47 days.

Obscure...very nice.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

I wouldn't put too much stock into what a radio host says. If you listen to these guys, you would have assumed that the Bears were 4-11 heading into today's game. I heard Rozner and Finji on early in the week, and they don't argue with callers who say the Bears are a bad team. Bernstein and Holmes didn't take issue with a caller who said that as well. Now, maybe you can't argue with every caller, but that's a pretty stupid conclusion that I would challenge if I heard that. My guess is that these radio host "experts" agree that the Bears aren't a good team which is pretty stupid logic.

As for Lovie, if they do fire him today, I'd understand it. Regardless of last season's circumstances, and today's outcome, they have had 2 pretty bad 2nd half collapses under Lovie, 3 playoff wins over 9 seasons, and miss the playoffs most seasons. Fans will be let down if the Bears go out and hire some unknown OC from another team, but they get what they want if Lovie is gone.

Is the cupboard bare? I heard Bernstein and Hub argue all the time that the Bears should have players ready to step in for the older guys on defense, but that's ridiculous. Teams don't have young Pro Bowl caliber players NOT playing. Teams don't restock at positions with great talent already in place because they are addressing holes at other positions. I'm not sure which teams have this incredible talents just sitting on the bench ready to step in, but I think it's fair to say that almost every team does not. It's fair to question the young talent on the roster, but, to say they have none, is also wrong, specifically on the defensive side. They do have talent on the roster, but they also have gaping holes (see the offensive line) that prevents the entire group from functioning.

I'd also disagree with the word "rebuilding". Look at all the rookie QB's coming into the league the last few seasons. Teams don't use 5 year plans anymore in the NFL. Teams good this year are often bad the next year, and vice versa, but I think everything is done on the fly. They may be able to get one more year out of the defense if they keep it together and add some young help to it, but the offense is eventually where this team will win (or lose) games with Forte/Marshall/Cutler here - obviously, they need more help with the offensive line/TE spots.

They traded for a highly regarded QB a few years ago. They signed the best free agent DE that was on the market. They traded for a Pro Bowl WR. They have kept one of the better defenses in the league together, and very good, for the last several years. I do think they are shooting high, but, they have also made mistakes that have kept them from achieving these lofty goals.

That is one thing I like about the NFL these days over the other sports. No more 5 year plans or a decade of losing. Unless you are really inept year to year anything can happen and your team win. It makes it more enjoyable for me.

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Between you and me, I think your culture places far too much importance on shoe removal. I wiped them on the mat for a minute and a half. I don't know why your father had to make a federal case out of it.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I hope the Bears win today, and also win the Super Bowl.

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I don't think lovie is a great defensive mind...those players would be forcing turnovers under any coach...nine wins or five wins is little difference IMO...just draft later with nine wins...same result...no rings.

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