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Jeremy Bates should be promoted to offensive coordinator because I love coaches whose names are simple yet grammatically complete sentences. This explains my similar affinity for Dean Pees and Gar Heard.

Well then get aboard the Chip Kelly train I'm driving. The you is understood, don't you know.

Well now the barn doors are really swinging. Parcells can be billed. Hire him.

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And I would take the first two draft picks and get the two best lineman you can find

Agree with this, its their most glaring need.

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Knowing what we now know & reflecting on things, the Bears would have been better off just keeping Angelo on as GM rather than hiring Emery. The time is right for a house cleaning & Angelo & Lovie could have been sent packing tomorrow, & Teddy Phillips could have started with a clean slate & hired a football guy & given him complete control. The Bears are in a situation now with a new GM hire in Emery in a job that he has never done before, with a track record of suck behind him in KC, & no way the Bears are going to cut him loose. We just have to hope that he doesn't bring in Todd Haley or some other clown.
Times are changing in the NFL, & I believe that there are a lot of current NFL head coaches who will be fired never to hold an NFL head coaching position again, & many of them will be replaced by college coaches. I think the NFL will see an influx of College coaches becoming NFL head coaches, which is a good thing. The innovation in the NFL comes from college football, not from the old guard NFL coaches like Lovie.

Here's my coaching wish list:

1. Jon Gruden
2. Bill Cowher
3. Chris Peterson
4. Chip Kelly
5. Mike McCoy

Unfortunately, we all know that the Bears wont hire any of these guys.

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I think the NFL will see an influx of College coaches becoming NFL head coaches, which is a good thing. The innovation in the NFL comes from college football, not from the old guard NFL coaches like Lovie.


I think that you may see some more college head coaches come over, but only because of recent success of Harbaugh and Carroll. NFL is a copycat league; no points are awarded for sticking your neck out - only the risk of having your head chopped off.

I don't know what innovation you are looking at... I'd rather have better talent evaluation than innovation in gameplanning.

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I think the NFL will see an influx of College coaches becoming NFL head coaches, which is a good thing. The innovation in the NFL comes from college football, not from the old guard NFL coaches like Lovie.


I think that you may see some more college head coaches come over, but only because of recent success of Harbaugh and Carroll. NFL is a copycat league; no points are awarded for sticking your neck out - only the risk of having your head chopped off.

I don't know what innovation you are looking at... I'd rather have better talent evaluation than innovation in gameplanning.


Harbaugh is the most innovative head coach in the NFL right now...& Carroll is doing some pretty innovative things too.

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It's been a few weeks (months? Shit, I don't remember), but I felt like the time to come crawling back to the CSFMB has come, and that's so I could make one specific point:

Irish Boy: you were fucking right. I thought this team was for real. I was drunk on optimism; I was sure as hell that the ship would be righted and the Bears would find a way to compete for a championship this season.

I was wrong. I was so, so wrong.

There is something chillingly broken with this franchise if they don't spend an offensive amount of money trying to get Jake Long in a Bears uniform and draft a stupid amount of o-linemen. Fire coaches. Trade players. Do something besides sleepily crawl back into the frothy pool of Football Mediocrity.

It doesn't matter who and it doesn't matter how - prove that championships are important and fuck these developmental timelines. Ain't nobody got time for that.

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Watch these assholes demote/launch Tice and give Lovie a 2 year extension.

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Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
Forte
Briggs
Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
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Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?

Define decent. Combined, that sounds like a couple of seconds, a third, and a fourth.
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There is something chillingly broken with this franchise if they don't spend an offensive amount of money trying to get Jake Long in a Bears uniform and draft a stupid amount of o-linemen. Fire coaches. Trade players. Do something besides sleepily crawl back into the frothy pool of Football Mediocrity.

While we are in the spirit of compromise, Jake Long would be the one high-priced free agent who would make sense within my plan of Blow Everything Up. He's a cornerstone at a position that generally ages well, and at a position that would be tough to find in the draft (compared with guard and center).

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
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Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?








3,3,3 2nd round picks for them guys.

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And I would take the first two draft picks and get the two best lineman you can find
Disagree. Take the first 5 or 6 picks and take the best Olinemen available. The only exception is if there is some kind of crazy good awesome offensive player who happens to fall to the Bears at #20.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
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Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?
I'd love to see how much the Jets would give up for a Marshall/Cutler package deal. Since it seems like Ryan is staying, they are going to be desperate.

The problem for the Bears is you can't get rid of Cutler without also getting rid of Marshall. Marshall admittedly doesn't handle adversity well. He'd have a tough time with that change.

Maybe the Jets would even give up Tebow to the Bears in return.

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Irish Boy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
Forte
Briggs
Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?

Define decent. Combined, that sounds like a couple of seconds, a third, and a fourth.

Yeah, I suppose. But you could get creative and flip the picks for a higher one

But actually, 2's and 3's are very valuable in rebuilding arent they?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Agree. Blow it to hell.

Cutler
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Briggs
Marhsall


All of those could get some decent draft picks, right?

Define decent. Combined, that sounds like a couple of seconds, a third, and a fourth.

Yeah, I suppose. But you could get creative and flip the picks for a higher one

But actually, 2's and 3's are very valuable in rebuilding arent they?

Sure. None of those four are unexpendable right now. If someone offered a three for any one of them except maybe Cutler I'd take it, and Cutler I'd think long and hard. 2014 draft picks work too.

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The problem with sinking to the bottom is that I don't think you can sink to this bottom. You could have a bunch of practice squad guys out there and still be further along in a rebuild than the Chiefs are going to be next year. Or the Jaguars.

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The problem with sinking to the bottom is that I don't think you can sink to this bottom. You could have a bunch of practice squad guys out there and still be further along in a rebuild than the Chiefs are going to be next year. Or the Jaguars.

Top five pick will work for me. I can out-shitty all but four other teams if you give me the opportunity.

Oh, and f you Phil Emery.

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If it has value, trade it. If it doesn't have value, cut it. Get a top five pick next year. Draft so many offensive linemen that the floorboards at Halas Hall buckle. Make me think you have a clue, Phil Emery.


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So we know what you want to happen, now tell us what you think will actually happen

We'll draft some safety out of the MAC and awkwardly transition to the 3-4 under new head coach Bill O'Brien.


I doubt the bears pay the buyout for O'Brien. Unless he has some reduced buyout due to the NCAA sanctions.


Doubtful. They are on the hook for $5 million for Lovie Smith, would have to pay $8 million for the buyout of O'Brien plus a starting salary of at least $3 to $4 million. That's getting close to $20 million to get O'Brien here for Year 1.


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I want an offensive guy just for variety sake. 20 years of defensive coaches.

I want the best coach available. I don't care what side of the ball he's on. If it's me, I hire Chip Kelly. But that'll never ever happen.

I will say that the really smart guys with defensive systems seem to have more staying power. The offensive guys seem way more dependent upon the talent they have. That is a 15 second observation and I'm sure there's a ton of counterexamples.


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I'm glad to hear that Denver apparently has already received a request from the Bears to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy. I like McCoy alot, and he may be the best candidate available, after Gruden.

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I'm glad to hear that Denver apparently has already received a request from the Bears to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy. I like McCoy alot, and he may be the best candidate available, after Gruden.

Tell us more. Why is he so good??


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I'm glad to hear that Denver apparently has already received a request from the Bears to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy. I like McCoy alot, and he may be the best candidate available, after Gruden.

Tell us more. Why is he so good??


McCoy is one of the young rising star OC's in the NFL. I like what he has done in Denver the last 3 years. He transitioned from the spread offense, to the zone read offense, to the Manning offense in 3 years, & was successful with each style. Just about every NFL team with a head coach opening has him on their short list.

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No current or former players like McCoy.

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Denver never ran a "spread" or "zone read" offense, but nice try anyway, you gave a good effort out there.

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Denver never ran a "spread" or "zone read" offense, but nice try anyway, you gave a good effort out there.

Doug Farrar, Bucky Brooks, Gregg Easterbrook and many other NFL writers would disagree with you.

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Denver never ran a "spread" or "zone read" offense, but nice try anyway, you gave a good effort out there.

Doug Farrar, Bucky Brooks, Gregg Easterbrook and many other NFL writers would disagree with you.

Gregggggg Easterbrook can kiss my nuts. He is beyond clueless on Xs and Os stuff. Just utterly hopeless. I like Farrar but Denver ran MAYBE 15-20 zone read plays last year. Most of the "read" looks were designed calls out of the shotgun. Compare to Washington or Seattle or Carolina, which run a lot of legitimate option looks. I have no idea who Bucky Brooks is.

As for the spread part of that, McDaniels toned down most of the New England stuff. If what he was doing there was "spread" (which kind of lacks definition), then 75% of the NFL runs the spread.

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What I appreciate is a better run process with more decisevness than we have seen in the past. The decision on the coaching change would have tanken weeks under previous GMs followed by a back assed hiring process for a new coach that took so long that only those candidates left in the bargain bin remained for signing and all upwardly mobile coordinators having all found employment elsewhere

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