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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:25 am 
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I have a very difficult time understanding how these contracts are written that these college coaches can just get out of their long term contracts without much hassle.

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I have a very difficult time understanding how these contracts are written that these college coaches can just get out of their long term contracts without much hassle.
It's because schools don't want to be locked in to paying the full value of the contract so there are buyouts on each side. Any school could technically write a contract that meant the other coaches couldn't move but they would have to pay the full amount remaining and it would be really hard to attract a coach as most coaches want flexibility if they become a hot prospect.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:48 am 
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These games are so important. How can the coaches just walk away from them?

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These games are so important. How can the coaches just walk away from them?
Did you get a "Bad College Football Thought A Day" calendar for Christmas?

It's because they get millions of dollars more for switching jobs. I'd skip my own wedding for a $20 million dollar NFL or college contract.

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The coaches are not solely to blame. This is how the system works. They are just playing the game.

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These games are so important. How can the coaches just walk away from them?
Did you get a "Bad college football thought a day" calendar for Christmas?

It's because they get millions of dollars more for switching jobs. I'd skip my own wedding for a $20 million dollar NFL contract.

You are just argued to me yesterday how important these bowl games are, and now you are saying they are skippable?

What if Robin Ventura got the Sox to the post-season this year, and before the playoffs started, he decides to become manager of the Yankees next season, and walks away before the playoffs even start. You don't think anyone would have a problem with that? I don't see why this is so acceptable in college football. What's so bad about honoring a contract you signed?

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These games are so important. How can the coaches just walk away from them?
Did you get a "Bad college football thought a day" calendar for Christmas?

It's because they get millions of dollars more for switching jobs. I'd skip my own wedding for a $20 million dollar NFL contract.

You are just argued to me yesterday how important these bowl games are, and now you are saying they are skippable?

What if Robin Ventura got the Sox to the post-season this year, and before the playoffs started, he decides to become manager of the Yankees next season, and walks away before the playoffs even start. You don't think anyone would have a problem with that? I don't see why this is so acceptable in college football. What's so bad about honoring a contract you signed?


Because they know the games are meaningless. If there was an actual playoff, coaches wouldn't leave before they were eliminated.

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You are just argued to me yesterday how important these bowl games are, and now you are saying they are skippable?
You were saying they were as important as spring practice. That's wrong. Of course they are skippable, if you are poised to make millions of dollars for doing it.

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What if Robin Ventura got the Sox to the post-season this year, and before the playoffs started, he decides to become manager of the Yankees next season, and walks away before the playoffs even start. You don't think anyone would have a problem with that? I don't see why this is so acceptable in college football. What's so bad about honoring a contract you signed?
Robin has a contract that doesn't allow that to happen. He'd be violating a contract.

College coaches have out clauses to protect themselves and the schools.

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Because they know the games are meaningless. If there was an actual playoff, coaches wouldn't leave before they were eliminated.
Of course they would. NIU's coach isn't turning down a massive raise so he can coach in the "playoffs".

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Because they know the games are meaningless. If there was an actual playoff, coaches wouldn't leave before they were eliminated.
Of course they would. NIU's coach isn't turning down a massive raise so he can coach in the "playoffs".

Why don't these smaller schools just not offer out-clauses in these contracts they are giving out? It's not like they are an SEC school that demands a top-tier coach, who can negotiate a massive deal. If someone doesn't like the contract NIU is offering, there are literally 100's of other candidates that would take the job in a heartbeat.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Because they know the games are meaningless. If there was an actual playoff, coaches wouldn't leave before they were eliminated.
Of course they would. NIU's coach isn't turning down a massive raise so he can coach in the "playoffs".


When was the last time a low major coach left his team during the NCAA tournament for a better job? They wait til after the games are played.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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What is your point?


A playoff game would never be that empty.

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Why don't these smaller schools just not offer out-clauses in these contracts they are giving out? It's not like they are an SEC school that demands a top-tier coach, who can negotiate a massive deal. If someone doesn't like the contract NIU is offering, there are literally 100's of other candidates that would take the job in a heartbeat.
The smaller schools want young up and coming coaches. Any coach worth anything won't want to stay at Kent State forever. He'll want to do well, help the school, and move on.

Also, with how little they pay, they can't really do that. You can't say "We'll pay you $400k for the next 8 years, but if you want to leave you have to pay us $10 million". Even if you did, you'd likely have to include a massive payout if you fired them, which is bad for the school too.

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When was the last time a low major coach left his team during the NCAA tournament for a better job? They wait til after the games are played.
The NCAA tournament starts 4 days after the season ends. If bowl games were all played within a week, coaches would all stay too and then go right afterwards. It's simply a timing issue.

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In fairness to Purdue fans, they have all their money committed to the John Purdue club to keep Coach Painter around. They cannot support everything.

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A playoff game would never be that empty.
Have you seen some of the crowds for the first(I guess it's not called the second) round of the NCAA tournament games? They are just as bad.

That's a bad comparison though. That bowl game is pretty low on the importance scale. It was by far the worst NYD bowl game and worse than many others that weren't on NYD.

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A playoff game would never be that empty.
Have you seen some of the crowds for the first(I guess it's not called the second) round of the NCAA tournament games? They are just as bad.

That's a bad comparison though. That bowl game is pretty low on the importance scale. It was by far the worst NYD bowl game and worse than many others that weren't on NYD.


Those half empty first round games are played at 11am on Thursday and Friday of a normal work week. You don't see half empty stadiums for the sweet sixteen or even night games for first and second round.

You really think a 16 team playoff would have stadiums half full or less? Then again your also the same guy who would rather have Purdue play in the Rose Bowl instead of a playoff unless they were a favorite to win.

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Compounding matters for the BCS bowls is that not only are fewer fans attending their bowls, but TV ratings also are on the decline.

The 2011-12 bowl season averaged 5.2 million viewers for 34 telecasts on ABC, CBS, ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox, down 15 percent from the 6.1 million viewers last year, Sports Business Journal reported.

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Did you get a "Bad College Football Thought A Day" calendar for Christmas?

I would buy this. Hell, I could write this!

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Those half empty first round games are played at 11am on Thursday and Friday of a normal work week. You don't see half empty stadiums for the sweet sixteen or even night games for first and second round.
That's not comparable though. The Heart Of Dallas Bowl is one of the bad bowl games. Also, I don't know when that picture was taken, but the game was pretty bad too. I wouldn't have stayed to the end.
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You really think a 16 team playoff would have stadiums half full or less?
The top 8 bowl games are mostly well attended.
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Then again your also the same guy who would rather have Purdue play in the Rose Bowl instead of a playoff unless they were a favorite to win.
Yeah, so?

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Did you get a "Bad College Football Thought A Day" calendar for Christmas?

I would buy this. Hell, I could write this!
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You really think a 16 team playoff would have stadiums half full or less?
The top 8 bowl games are mostly well attended.


Attendance is down across the bowl system, BCS included.

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Then again your also the same guy who would rather have Purdue play in the Rose Bowl instead of a playoff unless they were a favorite to win.
Yeah, so?


This thought should be included on your bad college football thoughts calendar.

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Agreed on the timing, with the bowls extending up to 40 days out the CFB season, these guys have to get in and start recruiting/hiring assistant coaches immediately and given the new team is who will be paying them out, that's who their loyalties are with as soon as they agree to the contract.

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Attendance is down across the bowl system, BCS included.
So? That's mostly because the Sugar Bowl had it's worst attendance in 70 years because of the matchup. Also, there are way too many bad bowl games.
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This thought should be included on your bad college football thoughts calendar.
Not if you read what my actual point was, which is going to the Rose Bowl currently is better than going to play a game in Georgia against Alabama and getting blown out.

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Attendance is down across the bowl system, BCS included.
So? That's mostly because the Sugar Bowl had it's worst attendance in 70 years because of the matchup. Also, there are way too many bad bowl games.


A lot of the attendance figures count tickets schools are forced to purchase but are never used. It is even worse than reported. The Purdue picture was at kickoff.

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A lot of the attendance figures count tickets schools are forced to purchase but are never used. It is even worse than reported. The Purdue picture was at kickoff.
There are a lot of bad bowl games with bad attendance. I won't argue that.

Attendance is good for the bowls worth going to. It goes up and down based mostly on how crazy the fanbases are.

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They need to do multiple games at a single location in a tournament format just like March Madness. It would be huge. Get rid of all the "bowl" games and just have a national championship.


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Agreed! Bowl games are damn expensive, to fly down to Miami for the Orange bowl and get a room for say 2 nights would have ran around $1,000-1,500.....given everyone just dumped money on Xmas presents it's a tough time to fork that cash out....why not do an Olympics style with games spread across maybe 3 different states....

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