But think of how you thought of him as he was compiling that record. Did you ever consider him a great pitcher? I didn't. He was usually the third best starter on his team. Sometimes the fourth. And take a look at Pettitte's winning percentage. If you're going to credit that to great Yankee teams, you better credit some of Glavine's success to his teams too. As for Buerhle, he's a half generation down the road from those guys in a time when twenty wins doesn't happen often. He's one iffy pitch to Sammy Sosa away from two perfect games. In two seasons he'll have 200 wins with a .560 percentage. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but I don't really think Glavine is either. Like I said, the numbers are there and traditionally 300 wins is an automatic. He's going to get in and almost certainly on the first ballot. I'm just giving you my opinion. And that is that I consider him a very, very good, but not great, pitcher. I'd compare him to guys like Jim Kaat, Don Sutton and Tommy John. One is in and two aren't, but I could do without any of them in there. Fair enough?

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Question for the class, why is it ok that a known cheater Gaylord Perry can be in the hall of fame, but guys like Clemens, Bonds, etc can't? Are there different forms of cheating that are acceptable?

I think so. Perry was taking a risk every time he cut a baseball that he would be immediately caught and ejected from the game. It's gamesmanship, like sign stealing. Of course it's against the rules, but every team used to have a guy or two that doctored a ball. And the biggest difference is that a player didn't have to put his own health in danger in order to compete on a level playing field.

Yeah fair enough. I just find it hard to believe that you would compare Glavine to Buerhle. Pettitte I can see somewhat. But Buerhle has never won 20 games ever. Glavine did it 5 times. And while he may have not been the best pitcher on his team, that is because he was riding shotgun with one of the greatest pitchers ever and an automatic first ballot guy.

But, it was cheating. I just think there is a HUGE double standard with this. I was reading a article on ESPN and all of the hall of famers were saying they were glad nobody got in that dealt with steroids. To me, it is bullshit. There are known cheaters in the Hall of Fame, why start now with your moral standards.

Question for the class, why is it ok that a known cheater Gaylord Perry can be in the hall of fame, but guys like Clemens, Bonds, etc can't? Are there different forms of cheating that are acceptable?

You like to stir shit up around here?

I was looking at Ty Cobb's page... man he did a lot of things of a questionable nature allegedly.
Anytime anyone mentions "character" or something like "He wasn't a good guy", I invoke Ty Cobb... interesting fellow, to say the least.

You like to stir shit up around here?

I was looking at Ty Cobb's page... man he did a lot of things of a questionable nature allegedly.
Anytime anyone mentions "character" or something like "He wasn't a good guy", I invoke Ty Cobb... interesting fellow, to say the least.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

I would like to just say for the record. FUCK Fred McGriff. Thanks! I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

JORR, I disagree, but I am tired and hung over. Therefore I don't feel like getting in a Brick type arguement with you.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

Celebrating that Bucks 2-game win streak a little too hard?

JORR, I disagree, but I am tired and hung over. Therefore I don't feel like getting in a Brick type arguement with you.

Yeah, I don't want to argue about it either. Everyone has their opinions. This is a case where there really isn't a right or wrong. To me, if you have to argue about a guy's worthiness, he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. We should probably be taking guys out rather than putting them in.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

Voted for Pedro.

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

Tom Glavine = Hall of the Very Good
Greg Maddux = Hall of Fame

The difference should be obvious.

Pretty sure my mom banged Alan Trammel in high school so I would like him to get in the HOF.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

I think the time to cash in on that paternity suit was when he was still a pro.

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

Voted for

Glavine
Maddux
Kent
Thomas
Biggio
Morris
Bonds
Clemens
Piazza

I don't believe for a minute Biggio was clean. I'm almost to the point of not caring anymore whether any of them were clean or not. MLB allowed it happen now the HOF has to deal with the consequences.

Hi Reason Figures you crusty old bastage come out for HOF talk. You're the Jerome Holtzman of the bored.

We should probably be taking guys out rather than putting them in.

And I nominate Red Schoendist, Phil Rizzuto, virtually every owner, Judge Landis, and Cap Anson for the collective boot.