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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York lawmakers agreed to pass the toughest gun control law in the nation and the first since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, calling for a stricter assault weapons ban and provisions to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill who make threats.
"This is a scourge on society," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday night, six days after making gun control a centerpiece of his agenda in his State of the State address. The bipartisan effort was fueled by the Newton tragedy that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, 'No more innocent loss of life'?"
The measure also calls for restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns. It is expected to pass Tuesday.
"This is not about taking anyone's rights away," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, a Bronx Democrat. "It's about a safe society ... today we are setting the mark for the rest of the county to do what's right."
Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features, such as folding stock, muzzle flash suppressor or bayonet mount. The proposal would reduce that to one feature, including the popular pistol grip. The language specifically targeted the military-style rifle used in the Newtown shootings.
Current owners of those guns will have to register them.
Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. New Yorkers also would be barred from buying assault weapons over the Internet, and failing to safely store a weapon could lead to a misdemeanor charge.
Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report it to a mental health director who would have to notify the state. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.
The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.
The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored bills that were once blocked by Republicans. The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.
The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, also would mandate a police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.
It was agreed upon exactly a month since the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy.
"It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island.
Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault weapons and ammunition. He estimates there are already about 1 million assault weapons in New York state.
Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.
"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."
In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.
Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
The bill was the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.
Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.

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 Post subject: Re: New York
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Why are you shouting out government telling the gun industry what they can and cannot do?

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Shoutout approved on title alone.

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Dont think it does anything, but gotta start somewhere. 10 bullets to 7 bullets in a mag?

I applaude the effort and look forward to the restrictions to continue to tighten. :salut:

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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Shoutout now denied on title alone. New York government is terrible.

However, this seems to be some good work.

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Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.


Caught at home? Are there going to be searches of private residences now? How could someone be "caught at home?"

I'm cool with the mental health aspect, stronger background checks, making sure guns are safely stored and keeping a better eye on private/flea market gun sales.

The restriction of mag sizes, changing the definition of "Assault rifle" to just having a pistol and requiring private and lawful owners register them are the things I don't like.


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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Shoutout now denied on title alone. New York government is terrible.

However, this seems to be some good work.


Indeed.

Governor Cuomo is a huge sack of shit. I mean, like, 2 metric tons.


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Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.


Caught at home? Are there going to be searches of private residences now? How could someone be "caught at home?"

I'm cool with the mental health aspect, stronger background checks, making sure guns are safely stored and keeping a better eye on private/flea market gun sales.

The restriction of mag sizes, changing the definition of "Assault rifle" to just having a pistol and requiring private and lawful owners register them are the things I don't like.


If someone gets called for a domestic dispute case the officer probably has a right to know what is in the home. Just as iif you get pulled over and appear to be high the police officer has the right to ask if you are in possession of any narcotics.

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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Gun sellers in norther PA will be ecstatic I am positive.

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Gun sellers in norther PA will be ecstatic I am positive.

I'm always impressed that gun nuts never have enough guns and that any hint of a change in the law causes them to flock to stores and buy more.


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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Gun sellers in norther PA will be ecstatic I am positive.


If they outright ban "assault" rifles (oh brother....) based on the pistol grip you best believe that the mod-kits for "standard" rifles will be flowing in hot and heavy. Same with ammo, people will start making it themselves, selling it or just getting it from outside sources.

You come down too hard and you will find yourself with a black market and little control.

Hopefully, New York will learn its lesson from their stance on high cigarette taxes.


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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Rat bastards! Who are they to infringe on my God given right to fire 60 rounds a minute when hunting deer?!!!

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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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pittmike wrote:
Gun sellers in norther PA will be ecstatic I am positive.


If they outright ban "assault" rifles (oh brother....) based on the pistol grip you best believe that the mod-kits for "standard" rifles will be flowing in hot and heavy. Same with ammo, people will start making it themselves, selling it or just getting it from outside sources.

You come down too hard and you will find yourself with a black market and little control.

Hopefully, New York will learn its lesson from their stance on high cigarette taxes.



They won't learn anything. They will pat themselves on the back that they did something. All will forget about Sandy Hook. Until the next time.

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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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Right. Gun restrictions should be loosened.


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Rat bastards! Who are they to infringe on my God given right to fire 60 rounds a minute when hunting deer?!!!


Your post makes little sense.


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Right. Gun restrictions should be loosened.


No one was saying that. Is there an instance of someone saying that in this thread that I missed? If so, please quote it.

In the future please respond to what people are actually posting.

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In the future please respond to what people are actually posting.


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 Post subject: Re: New York government
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Right. Gun restrictions should be loosened.


No one was saying that. Is there an instance of someone saying that in this thread that I missed? If so, please quote it.

I guess Im unclear on PittMike's post about not "learning their lesson"

What exactly should be done?



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[In the future please respond to what people are actually posting.

Thanks.

Uh, no. Are you new here? That's not how this place works.


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SomeGuy wrote:
In the future please respond to what people are actually posting.


:shock:


I am unsure of what your "Shock" emoticon is for.

Please explain, Brother Ivan vas Normandy.


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I was responding to what you posted. As per your instruction...

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Rat bastards! Who are they to infringe on my God given right to fire 60 rounds a minute when hunting deer?!!!


Your post makes little sense.

Why does any non military person need to fire 60 shots a minute?

That's not a protecting yourself thing. Thats a "like shooting guns" thing


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SomeGuy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Right. Gun restrictions should be loosened.


No one was saying that. Is there an instance of someone saying that in this thread that I missed? If so, please quote it.

I guess Im unclear on PittMike's post about not "learning their lesson"

What exactly should be done?


As I stated earlier in the thread I am for the strengthening of mental health standards, secure storage of guns, better regulation of private/flea market gun sales, better background checks etc. Those things make sense.

What I don't like, because it's short sighted/reactionary/won't work, is the outright banning of certain things.


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Fair enough


Did you say owners shouldn't have to register their guns or did I read that wrong?


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Fair enough


Did you say owners shouldn't have to register their guns or did I read that wrong?


I looked back at my original post about it, I said it wrong.

Having a specific registry for a specific firearm ("assault" rifles) is a waste of time...if that is what they intend to do. It will accomplish nothing and prevent nothing, it's more vote service than anything. Their are other things to spend time and money and manpower on concerning this subject.


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Why does any non military person need to fire 60 shots a minute?
None, right now.

Hopefully we are done with the days where something like that would be required.

That is ultimately what scares me about gun control. I don't know what things will be like in 25 years. Restricting high powered guns may change the casualty numbers by 50% for incidents like Sandy Hook but what happens if in 25 years we live in an environment similar to many places in Mexico where roving gangs make police protection relatively meaningless?

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Why does any non military person need to fire 60 shots a minute?
None, right now.

Hopefully we are done with the days where something like that would be required.

That is ultimately what scares me about gun control. I don't know what things will be like in 25 years. Restricting high powered guns may change the casualty numbers by 50% for incidents like Sandy Hook but what happens if in 25 years we live in an environment similar to many places in Mexico where roving gangs make police protection relatively meaningless?



C'mon, guys. That won't change anything. And do you know why it won't change anything? Because I don't think it will!




Why can't we just give this a shot and see what happens? What does it hurt for our society to cut down on the number of rounds a civilian can pump out in a minute? What is the downside?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Why does any non military person need to fire 60 shots a minute?
None, right now.

Hopefully we are done with the days where something like that would be required.

That is ultimately what scares me about gun control. I don't know what things will be like in 25 years. Restricting high powered guns may change the casualty numbers by 50% for incidents like Sandy Hook but what happens if in 25 years we live in an environment similar to many places in Mexico where roving gangs make police protection relatively meaningless?

I feel ya, but can we really live by preparing for a possible worst case scenario 25 years down the line?


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Fair enough


Did you say owners shouldn't have to register their guns or did I read that wrong?


I looked back at my original post about it, I said it wrong.

Having a specific registry for a specific firearm ("assault" rifles) is a waste of time...if that is what they intend to do. It will accomplish nothing and prevent nothing, it's more vote service than anything. Their are other things to spend time and money and manpower on concerning this subject.

Agreed


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