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Hopefully he brings his CFL offense as I think 12 players on the field with multiple men in motion will be hard for defenses to prepare for. He needs to stop being conservative and punting on 3rd down though.


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Not sure why people are saying Trestman is not an upgrade over Lovie. Trestman has worked with some great QBs (Young, Gannon, etc.) and is an OFFENSIVE mind. Lovie couldn't call an offensive play if it bit him in the ass.

Let's see how things play out this season and the next. If Trestman can bring this offensive into the top 15 consistently, coupled with the current defensive scheme, I don't see how this can be a losing situation.

If Marinelli stays and they keep the Cover-2 as the base D, and go after some solid O-lineman, I am good with this pick.


Why are you sanguine about the team's defensive progress given the age of key players, the unit's ineffectiveness against good offenses, and the fact that the team's real defensive coordinator, Lovie, is no longer with the team? The Bears are on the verge of requiring a complete defensive overhaul; their new coach has been hired to hold Jay Cutler's hand.


We are stuck in a defensive paradigm (Emery). If everything works as planned, the defensive overhaul will mean as much as the current Special Teams overhaul. This is now an offensive minded football team.

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Who are the asst's hired so far?

All I've heard is DeCamillis as Assistand head coach and Special Teams Co and Kromer as O-Line/OC


Meyers (Colorado State OC) for RB coach

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What is a fair expectation? If the Bears go 7-9 or even 9-7 next year, don't you have to call it a failure? (Based on the firing of a coach who went 10-6.) Or does he get a three-year honeymoon?
I don't think next year matters much. It's 2 or 3 years from now.


I don't think that's even close to accurate. This is a win now league. The Bears have a veteran team, were 10-6, and they are likely going to keep the defense together for one last shot next season. With Trestman here now, I'm sure the expectation is that the offense will make a significant leap next season with an offensive mind in place and an off-season ahead.


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That colts team had a lot of roster changes in the last year, not reallythe same team from painters team... where is. Marinelli going to go? Lovie can't find work.


Not only is Marinelli under contract, but I beleive he only has one more year left on his deal. Most assume that next season will be the last run with this defense, and by then, Lovie could potentially resurface as a head coaching candidate for a team, increasing the chances of a reunion between Lovie Smith and some of defensive coaches currently under contract in Chicago.


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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


He was OC for 4 teams, including a Super Bowl team. You're just trying to make it seem worse.

Plus, you don't know he "couldn't get a college job". I heard of 1, maybe 2, that he might even have been considered for so you don't really know his mindset. Sounds like Walsh, who he really respected, advised him to get head coaching experience. Who's to say he couldn't have come back to the NFL as an OC and chose not to pursue it to develop the HC experience. People are making a lot of assumptions about his history.

That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Jacksonville should hire a guy like this. A team that's rebuilding should hire a guy like this. This was easily the best available opening and this is the best the Bears could do. I don't think I have to make him seem worse. The facts do a pretty good job at that. All the other candidates have had some recent success. Will he send the punting unit out after 2nd down? Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?


Just because he's not a former Super Bowl winning coach doesn't mean it's a bad hire. Nobody knows whether this will work out, but there are plenty of lesser known candidates who become known as premier coaches.


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I have more faith he can deliver a super bowl over lovie.

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I don't think that's even close to accurate. This is a win now league. The Bears have a veteran team, were 10-6, and they are likely going to keep the defense together for one last shot next season. With Trestman here now, I'm sure the expectation is that the offense will make a significant leap next season with an offensive mind in place and an off-season ahead.
So if the Bears go 4-12 next year are you going to call for Trestman to be fired?

That is why next year doesn't matter. He has to be doing well in year 2 or 3.

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Bears go 8-8 @ worst next year...guaranteed

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If one year ago you had said instead that they were going to hire Tim Tebow's offensive coordinator, would the laughing have been less?
I get your point but I still think that would be better. McCoy did some real good work with Orton too and all he did was win with Tebow.

This guy literally has a website soliciting his services as a qb consultant for the NFL draft.


If his reputation for working and getting production from QB's is highly regarded, I'd advertise it too.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I don't think that's even close to accurate. This is a win now league. The Bears have a veteran team, were 10-6, and they are likely going to keep the defense together for one last shot next season. With Trestman here now, I'm sure the expectation is that the offense will make a significant leap next season with an offensive mind in place and an off-season ahead.
So if the Bears go 4-12 next year are you going to call for Trestman to be fired?

That is why next year doesn't matter. He has to be doing well in year 2 or 3.


A new coach is almost always going to get some grace period. I expect Trestman himself to get about 3 years (maybe 2 bad ones) before he gets on the hot seat. That doesn't mean the team shouldn't have expectations for making the playoffs next season.


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Not sure why people are saying Trestman is not an upgrade over Lovie. Trestman has worked with some great QBs (Young, Gannon, etc.) and is an OFFENSIVE mind. Lovie couldn't call an offensive play if it bit him in the ass.

Let's see how things play out this season and the next. If Trestman can bring this offensive into the top 15 consistently, coupled with the current defensive scheme, I don't see how this can be a losing situation.

If Marinelli stays and they keep the Cover-2 as the base D, and go after some solid O-lineman, I am good with this pick.


Why are you sanguine about the team's defensive progress given the age of key players, the unit's ineffectiveness against good offenses, and the fact that the team's real defensive coordinator, Lovie, is no longer with the team? The Bears are on the verge of requiring a complete defensive overhaul; their new coach has been hired to hold Jay Cutler's hand.


Because the NFL has shown if your offense is within the top 10 to top 15 and your defense is decent, you can go far in the playoffs. Yes there is age on the Bears D, but I believe this squad has better depth to rely upon than the offense. I don't believe you will see anything done to the defense for several seasons.

The defense can afford to muck about while the offense cannot.

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I'd pull up your thoughts about the Bears beating the Colts in week 2 if I cared enough.

Your perception of the Colts at the beginning of the season is off as is your belief that smart people thought they would be good. There was absolutely no reason to believe that Wayne would revive his career and they lost Garcon in FA. They also lost Dallas Clark. Their line was in shambles. Their defense was in the first year of a switch from 4-3 to 3-4 with players many thought did not fit the system. Freeney got hurt. This team had all the makings of 4-12.


You missed my post where I backed off. I was getting caught up in the moment.


So you finally agree that the other "finalist" would have been better choices? I knew you would come around to my way of thinking before the end of the century.


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BD wrote:
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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


He was OC for 4 teams, including a Super Bowl team. You're just trying to make it seem worse.

Plus, you don't know he "couldn't get a college job". I heard of 1, maybe 2, that he might even have been considered for so you don't really know his mindset. Sounds like Walsh, who he really respected, advised him to get head coaching experience. Who's to say he couldn't have come back to the NFL as an OC and chose not to pursue it to develop the HC experience. People are making a lot of assumptions about his history.

That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Jacksonville should hire a guy like this. A team that's rebuilding should hire a guy like this. This was easily the best available opening and this is the best the Bears could do. I don't think I have to make him seem worse. The facts do a pretty good job at that. All the other candidates have had some recent success. Will he send the punting unit out after 2nd down? Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?


Just because he's not a former Super Bowl winning coach doesn't mean it's a bad hire. Nobody knows whether this will work out, but there are plenty of lesser known candidates who become known as premier coaches.


While Gruden was my top choice I never said a coach had to win a SB to be a good hire. I can't think of a coach in the last 30 years who was away from the NFL and college football for 10 years and found a way to win a SB or be successful.


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Bears go 8-8 @ worst next year...guaranteed


How can he be better if they take a step back? The improvement in offense is the reason to fire Lovie.


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Bears go 8-8 @ worst next year...guaranteed


How can he be better if they take a step back? The improvement in offense is the reason to fire Lovie.


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Bears go 8-8 @ worst next year...guaranteed


How can he be better if they take a step back? The improvement in offense is the reason to fire Lovie.


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Let's play the all-time classic game, "Liberal or Canadian?" See if you can go 6 for 6.

(*the new head coach being an adopted Canadian, of course)

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I believe coaching in the CFL is closer to the NFL than college ball. Dealing with and motivating grown men is different than recruiting 19 year olds and going RAH RAH!!


Are you high? In college you're going to have NFL talent on your roster. Some of those guys will go on to be stars. You don't have that in the CFL. It's closer to high school or Arena Football.


Yea...coaching College ball is as close to coaching NFL ball as it ever has been. Hell, the NFL is emulating college ball, not the other way around. The innovation in the NFL comes from college.

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2 of the Bears last 3 head coaching hires were the hottest names at the time...Wanny & Lovie. How did those work out? While I would have preferred Gruden, Cowher, Kelly or McCoy, no one knows if Trestman is a good or bad hire yet. One thing we do know...he knows a hell of a lot more about offense & QB play than Lovie. The Defense will be fine & the offense just got better. I mean there is no way that Jay & the Bears offense can be worse than they were last year. Change is good & its exciting to see new blood joining the Bears organization. Its time for the Bears players to stop acting like pussy's & stop crying about the country club coach losing his job. We're all Bears fans. Lets reserve the knee jerk meatball over-reaction already & give Trestman & the new staff a chance. If they suck 2 years from now, get in line behind me in calling for their asses to be fired.

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I like the hire and am looking forward to the news conference to hear more. I am confident that Emery knows what the hell he's doing and it appears this is a guy he can work with and create that "synergy" he desires in the organization.

Looking forward to a 21st century offense and we shall see if Cutler is the man as clearly with 1 year left on his contract, he has to shit or get off the pot.


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I like the hire and am looking forward to the news conference to hear more. I am confident that Emery knows what the hell he's doing and it appears this is a guy he can work with and create that "synergy" he desires in the organization.

Looking forward to a 21st century offense and we shall see if Cutler is the man as clearly with 1 year left on his contract, he has to shit or get off the pot.


Synergy is important in any organization. With regards to the GM, you would have done a better job of drafting players than Angelo.

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Why did the Tribune treat it as some sort of scoop when Jimmy Johnson tweeted about this a week ago?

Of course Brad Biggs had this headline: "Trestman denies rumor Bears hiring him as coach." Did really believe Trestman or was he just reporting what he was told?

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