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Why was Emery getting advice from Cutler? What has he done in the NFL that would make anyone ask for his advice on hiring a HC? This guy got 3 OC's fired. He's had too much influence on the offense for someone who has been average at best since he has been a Bear. IMO one of the biggest problems with the offense (other than the offensive line) is that Cutler has never been held accountable for his play and his lack of leadership (Toub pointed out what many of us had already known). As a defensive player in that locker room I would be pissed that Cutler had a say in hiring the HC. Sure this is an offensive league now and having an offensive coach is the way to go but do you really trust Cutler's judgment? He tends to like guys that like him. That's why failed Seahawks offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates was signed to help with the passing part of the offense last season.


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Laurence needs to do a show with Peanut soon so we can get a feel for what the defensive players are thinking right now. I would have to think that there is a large amount of resentment for Cutler and a lot of skepticism about this coaching overhaul and probably a WTF about the new DC.

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Laurence needs to do a show with Peanut soon so we can get a feel for what the defensive players are thinking right now.


At the very least, he needs to hit the club with Lance.

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Why was Emery getting advice from Cutler? What has he done in the NFL that would make anyone ask for his advice on hiring a HC? This guy got 3 OC's fired. He's had too much influence on the offense for someone who has been average at best since he has been a Bear. IMO one of the biggest problems with the offense (other than the offensive line) is that Cutler has never been held accountable for his play and his lack of leadership (Toub pointed out what many of us had already known). As a defensive player in that locker room I would be pissed that Cutler had a say in hiring the HC. Sure this is an offensive league now and having an offensive coach is the way to go but do you really trust Cutler's judgment? He tends to like guys that like him. That's why failed Seahawks offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates was signed to help with the passing part of the offense last season.


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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?

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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?

Yeah, Emery could have said Cutler helped just to make Jay feel good, but completely blew him off.


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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?


I don't know.

No one knows.


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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?


I don't know.

No one knows.

The reason no one knows is that Cutler made the statement in the radio desert known as WMVP. He claimed he met with the 3 candidates and offered his thoughts. Don't know if he was asked about his buddy Jeremy Bates.

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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?


Emery requested that Cutler meet with the finalists. If Cutler's name were Tom Brady I wouldn't have a problem with this. He wanted Cutler to keep and eye out for these things: "Communication, poise and presence, the ability to articulate systems of offense, defense and special teams, and leadership before reporting back to the general manager with what he observed." Just seeing those list of things instantly makes you laugh out loud. When you remember that you're a Bears fan it makes you cry because not only did Cutler have influence on the process but he got to judge things that he sucks at. For an average QB with flashes greatness he has been given too much control of the Bears organizations since he has been here.


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Emery requested that Cutler meet with the finalists.

If that's true, it's just confirmation that Emery started the coaching search from the premise that Cutler is the franchise's quarterback for the indefinite future.

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Emery requested that Cutler meet with the finalists.

If that's true, it's just confirmation that Emery started the coaching search from the premise that Cutler is the franchise's quarterback for the indefinite future.

Fire Phil Emery.


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I am completely agnostic as to whether they win or lose until Phil Emery is fired.

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Makaveli wrote:
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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?


Emery requested that Cutler meet with the finalists. If Cutler's name were Tom Brady I wouldn't have a problem with this. He wanted Cutler to keep and eye out for these things: "Communication, poise and presence, the ability to articulate systems of offense, defense and special teams, and leadership before reporting back to the general manager with what he observed." Just seeing those list of things instantly makes you laugh out loud. When you remember that you're a Bears fan it makes you cry because not only did Cutler have influence on the process but he got to judge things that he sucks at. For an average QB with flashes greatness he has been given too much control of the Bears organizations since he has been here.


And you know this how?

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How do we know Cutler helped make the decision?


Emery requested that Cutler meet with the finalists. If Cutler's name were Tom Brady I wouldn't have a problem with this. He wanted Cutler to keep and eye out for these things: "Communication, poise and presence, the ability to articulate systems of offense, defense and special teams, and leadership before reporting back to the general manager with what he observed." Just seeing those list of things instantly makes you laugh out loud. When you remember that you're a Bears fan it makes you cry because not only did Cutler have influence on the process but he got to judge things that he sucks at. For an average QB with flashes greatness he has been given too much control of the Bears organizations since he has been here.


And you know this how?


The story was reported in the Tribune and other media outlets. Here's Michael Wright's account from the ESPN site: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4682160/emery-turned-to-cutler-for-input-on-finalists.

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Thanks.

So the GM wanted the leader of the offense to give his thoughts on the next coach who is supposed to be offensively focused?

Not sure why that is a bad thing. Just seems like something for those who already dislike the hire to nitpick about.

If they were hiring a defensive minded coach and they asked Urlacher to sit in, would people be upset about that?

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Trestman was the only one of the finalist that had a relationship with Cutler (based on Trestman's interview I'm not sure if that relationship wasn't sexual) and that probably played a role in Culter's "evaluation" and the subsequent hiring of Trestman. From all accounts Trestman is good/great with X's and O's but it's leading a team that made a HoF guy like Tim Brown question if he could be head coach. Knowing an offense was probably one of the reasons Cutler like Bates too but that doesn't always sell in the locker room. That means Cutler will have to really be a leader to sell Trestman's vision and I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Cutler can.


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Thanks.

So the GM wanted the leader of the offense to give his thoughts on the next coach who is supposed to be offensively focused?

Not sure why that is a bad thing. Just seems like something for those who already dislike the hire to nitpick about.

If they were hiring a defensive minded coach and they asked Urlacher to sit in, would people be upset about that?


Reading is a skill. Urlacher is a HoF player and Cutler is basically just a guy. There is no need for someone like that to interview finalists. I listed my reasons why. Feel free to dispute them and tell my why I'm wrong or you can continue to make the same tired argument that questioning any decision made by the Bears brain trust is nothing more than nitpicking. You're a lot smarter than that and I know you have more to add than just that.


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Thanks.

So the GM wanted the leader of the offense to give his thoughts on the next coach who is supposed to be offensively focused?

Not sure why that is a bad thing. Just seems like something for those who already dislike the hire to nitpick about.

If they were hiring a defensive minded coach and they asked Urlacher to sit in, would people be upset about that?

Yes. The coach should have an entirety free hand to decide the future of the franchise. The GM should be the supplier who gathers his materials.

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Thanks.

So the GM wanted the leader of the offense to give his thoughts on the next coach who is supposed to be offensively focused?

Not sure why that is a bad thing. Just seems like something for those who already dislike the hire to nitpick about.

If they were hiring a defensive minded coach and they asked Urlacher to sit in, would people be upset about that?


Reading is a skill. Urlacher is a HoF player and Cutler is basically just a guy. There is no need for someone like that to interview finalists. I listed my reasons why. Feel free to dispute them and tell my why I'm wrong or you can continue to make the same tired argument that questioning any decision made by the Bears brain trust is nothing more than nitpicking. You're a lot smarter than that and I know you have more to add than just that.


Cutler is more than just a guy. He is a team captain and the leader of the offense. Sure he does not have Urlachers standing, but he is more than just a guy.

I am not sold on the Trestman hiring at all. I am willing to wait and see though. I just do not think asking your QB and leader of the offense to give some input on an offensively minded coach is a big deal. And I would bet it is a pretty common practice around the league.

I have no problem with you or anyone questioning the Bears decision. It very well may prove to be a bad decision. But looking under every rock to try and justify why it is a bad hire right now is dumb. No one knows yet. Only time will tell if it is a bad hire.

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Cutler is more than just a guy. He is a team captain and the leader of the offense. Sure he does not have Urlachers standing, but he is more than just a guy.


You could say the same about Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you think the Bills should have gotten his approval to hire Doug Marrone?

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Favre was a 3 time MVP and Super Bowl Champion. The only GM that would even listen to him was Sherman and he was awful and fired after a short tenure. Thompson ignored him when he would suggest things.

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Cutler is more than just a guy. He is a team captain and the leader of the offense. Sure he does not have Urlachers standing, but he is more than just a guy.


You could say the same about Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you think the Bills should have gotten his approval to hire Doug Marrone?


Do I think they should have? No. But if that is what they decided to do I don't think it is a big deal.

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Thanks.

So the GM wanted the leader of the offense to give his thoughts on the next coach who is supposed to be offensively focused?

Not sure why that is a bad thing. Just seems like something for those who already dislike the hire to nitpick about.

If they were hiring a defensive minded coach and they asked Urlacher to sit in, would people be upset about that?


Reading is a skill. Urlacher is a HoF player and Cutler is basically just a guy. There is no need for someone like that to interview finalists. I listed my reasons why. Feel free to dispute them and tell my why I'm wrong or you can continue to make the same tired argument that questioning any decision made by the Bears brain trust is nothing more than nitpicking. You're a lot smarter than that and I know you have more to add than just that.


Cutler is more than just a guy. He is a team captain and the leader of the offense. Sure he does not have Urlachers standing, but he is more than just a guy.

I am not sold on the Trestman hiring at all. I am willing to wait and see though. I just do not think asking your QB and leader of the offense to give some input on an offensively minded coach is a big deal. And I would bet it is a pretty common practice around the league.

I have no problem with you or anyone questioning the Bears decision. It very well may prove to be a bad decision. But looking under every rock to try and justify why it is a bad hire right now is dumb. No one knows yet. Only time will tell if it is a bad hire.


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"I talked to all three of them. Phil asked me to. He wanted a player's perspective," Cutler told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN Chicago 1000. "I don't think there was anything I told him that had a bearing on who (Emery selected). He just wanted to get as much information as possible, and I think he did the process right. He did a great job of going through the process talking to a lot of guys."

Cutler explained that Emery "never put me in that position" of having to decide who he liked more between the candidates. Instead Emery "basically just wanted to know if as a player (the candidate) could get in front of the team and lead us, and if guys would respect him. That was all he really wanted to know," Cutler said, adding that "I respect him for asking me as a player, and not putting me in a position to say who I liked better."


Yeah, none of this actually means anything.


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"I talked to all three of them. Phil asked me to. He wanted a player's perspective," Cutler told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN Chicago 1000. "I don't think there was anything I told him that had a bearing on who (Emery selected). He just wanted to get as much information as possible, and I think he did the process right. He did a great job of going through the process talking to a lot of guys."

Cutler explained that Emery "never put me in that position" of having to decide who he liked more between the candidates. Instead Emery "basically just wanted to know if as a player (the candidate) could get in front of the team and lead us, and if guys would respect him. That was all he really wanted to know," Cutler said, adding that "I respect him for asking me as a player, and not putting me in a position to say who I liked better."


Yeah, none of this actually means anything.

That's nice. I'm glad Emery thinks like this. Not a bad way to be.

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I am of the belief that Cutler is to Trestman as Lovie was to Emery: he is forced to work with him for a year and will see what he has in him during that time but he really would prefer to start anew with his guy.

I expect to hear stories from the combine that Trestman is looking at QBs. I also expect the Bears to draft one within the next two years. My guy this year would be Nassib from Syracuse.

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What do you like about Nassib?

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Nassib noooooooooooooooo

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Nassib noooooooooooooooo

who is your guy at QB?

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Nassib noooooooooooooooo

who is your guy at QB?

I think you have to pass this year. Lots of 2014 talent. 2013 is rough.

Depends upon where they draft next year of course, but I have my eyes on Aaron Murray.

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