You did right there jackass.

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The "I have a dream" speech is probably one of the best speeches ever. I have a problem calling him the greatest American as he didn't practice what he preached with the content of his own character. It's like saying that "John Edwards" was a great American and he cheated regularly on his wife who had cancer.

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Wrong...where is there any mention of any stats, much less any specific battles won/lost. Put the bong down moron.

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* puts the crack pipe down *

wasn't washington something like 0-13 in battles? i'm pretty damn sure he never led his troops to any victories, technically speaking.

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Wrong again moron. he won 3 of the most dramatic battles in the war-Trenton, Princeton and the Siege of Yorktown.

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Happens every year. Love many of the speeches. Some of the words would be accurate today but it really annoys me how someone not very different from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gets so much love and many others are ignored or forgotten.

We are all sinners Mini.

Except Elmhurst Steve.

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John Edwards was a champion of poverty and gave some great speeches.

What don't you like about affirmative action?

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moron? wait a minute, who's the guy named "sinicalypse" and who's the guy named "elmhurst steve" here? dude you even literally have a giant fucking cubs logo underneath your name, your point is invalid.

instead of latently racebaiting a messageboard on MLK day, why don't you go paint your grandma's house or whatever feelgood new years crap you were talking about? people might like you more if those types of post weren't so obviously fucking transparent.

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It's not fair. It is designed to give opportunity to those less capable to make up for the fact that past generations of certain groups were denied opportunities. Just as the denial of opportnity to those individuals caused great resentment and anger, the denial of the best candidates for a job now in favor of someone else because of their ethnic background, will only cause more anger and resentment. If equality (as Dr King wanted) is the goal, only the qualifications of the candidate for a job should matter.

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Why don't you just admit that you were wrong about George Washington's battle record, Apologize and move on.....Moron

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one thing i realize there is no hope for people like you. you have a closed mind and only want to see things from your view without any thought that maybe you are wrong. to say someone has to hold a public office, etc. to be considered for greatness is stupid.

the disease he tried to cure was for intolerance. he tried, almost in vain to lead this country to freedom for the oppressed. he did help create jobs for minorities that only your kind could hold. sadly, there are to many people like you who live in their insulated world who can't see that. of course you and your kind want the world to be the way is was. , remove your head out of your rectum, pick up a book that wasn't written by someone from the union and educate yourself.

i don't care if he is among our greatest humans or not. at least have a clue before you type another word. have a good day and happy painting to you.

i'll do it when you admit that i'm right about your decision to hang out and racebait here all day. in the spirit of fairness and equality, cuz really what is MLK day REALLY about? ...we'll call my stance on washington's battle record "stevebaiting" if you will.

btw, if we were in highschool together, this would roughly be the point where you'd say "shutup or i'll beat your ass, burrito"

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Life isn't fair, Steve. And actually, affirmative action is simply designed to give those who have historically been denied opportunity a more level playing field, which still isn't exactly level and never will be, as evidenced by the fact that George W. Bush got into Yale when many, many more qualified blacks could not dream of doing so.

Just like week I heard an good interview with Sonia Sotomayor. She explained about how she learned how to study and take notes when she was in fifth grade and how someone advised her to apply for "the Ivies" and that she had no idea what "the Ivies" were. Ultimately, she was accepted at Princeton where she struggled at first.

The interviewer, a sharp guy, asked a tough follow-up, and I'll paraphrase: How is it that you, as someone who benefited from affirmative action, can have such a different outlook on the concept than your fellow Justice, Clarence Thomas, who is on record as hating affirmative action and feeling as if its existence has diminished his achievements?

Sotomayor's answer was that she and Thomas just view affirmative action from totally different perspectives. She comes at it from a positive angle and looks at it as if she is a great lawyer and a more than qualified Supreme Court Justice who quite likely would have never had the chance to achieve such things without affirmative action. And Thomas sees it as a negative in that he has achieved certain things in his life and career, yet his capabilities will always be questioned as if he does not deserve to be where he is since affirmative action, as you say, "gives opportunity to those less capable." Sotomayor respects Thomas and understands his view on the matter, and in fact, has bumped up against what he is talking about herself. However, her view is that each person finds himself or herself presented with a different set of advantages and disadvantages and goes from there.

Why are so many so outraged by a poor black kid who gets a shot to go to Michigan and makes a successful life and career for himself, yet they never mention the legacy that grabs a spot at Harvard and then squanders it by blowing off second semester on the ski slopes of Jackson Hole?

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You don't care if he's amongst the greatest Americans in history, yet you choose to respond to a post where the discussion about where he falls in significance in American History is being discussed....rather odd.
You say he tried to cure the disease of intolerance.....number one, intolerance is no disease, it's stupid to call it a disease. Number two, it's alive and well.
He created jobs???....really??? ....name the jobs he created. Marching and riding busses without getting paid a dime is not a job by the way.
Also, I never said he was not a significant person in American History. He certainly was. I just said he wasn't top 10. Probably not top 25 for me. But like Susan B Anthony, he had a significant role in fighting for equality.

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JORR,

It would be helpful to you if you actually knew the story of Clarence Thomas, before taking the word of an interviewer, who you call sharp, but apparently has nary a clue himself, but apparently is ok by your description with judging someone he knows nothing about.

If you can't be inspired by what Thomas endured from his childhood into adulthood, then you need to be checked for a pulse.

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What are you talking about? The interviewer made no comment on Thomas save for his observation that Thomas is against affirmative action, a fact that is well known.

Again, why do you take umbrage at certain "unfairness" whilst ignoring other "unfairness"?

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This from the Lil Ol Troll me....50 years after the I had a Dream speech...that is exactly what it is a Dream

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Not sure how anyone could say it is still a dream considering we all witnessed President Obama celebrate his 2nd term as President today. That would have been unthinkable during MLK's days. I realize things are not perfect, far from it. But significant progress has been made.

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Nice try Joe. I won't rise to the stupidity of your strawman.

Clarence Thomas" story is nothing but positive. Subjected to racist taunts form many including those of the cloth. He life is a testimony to hard work and a human spirit that can overcome great obstacles. To characterize his judicial approach as negative because his experience is different than Sotomayor's is weak, lazy and uninformed.

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Yeah I would guess a little bit of progress has been made in 50 years.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_T ... _education

I particularly like the part in this page where he put the 15 cent cigar sticker on his framed Yale Law degree.

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And yet the knuckleheaded interviewer so arrogantly asks "how can you be so postive, and yet Justice Thomas is so negative."

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You fool his dream was for the masses and the masses aren't any better of today then they were 50 years ago. Maybe we should stroll through Englewood.Geez get a clue

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You're creating the strawman. And nobody ever even mentioned Thomas' "judicial approach". Thomas clearly has a negative view of affirmative action and it quite likely is informed by those who would question his credential based solely on the color of his skin. Affirmative action has given some ammunition to question his achievements. That's an understandable viewpoint, but one not shared by Sotomayor who believes her opportunity to attend Princeton- based in some part on her Puerto Rican heritage- is no more of an advantage- unfair or otherwise- than the great-great-great grandson of John Deere attending Yale because of his family connections and the money that allowed him to attend the best schools from day one.

I'm uncertain what your argument is about. No one has questioned the struggles of Clarence Thomas.

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No it's not. It's designed to give opportunities to LESS deserving individuals that come from a disadvantaged background or ethnic background. If equality is the goal, grades, test scores, experience, background and aptitude should all be factors considered. But ethnic background should not. The courts have ruled in class action lawsuits along this line of thinking as well. Thats why you see far less affirmative action hiring today.

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Why do you believe that a person born lucky is more deserving than one who isn't?

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Steve lost me here. I thought it is not to give "LESS deserving" people an opportunity but to give a chance to those that DO have grades etc. but not the opportunity due to racial discrimination? At least initially I thought that was the idea. I am guessing the white kid with the perfect SAT is not losing his spot to some kid from East St. Louis with a 1.1 GPA and a 500 SAT. Either way my dream is that at some point quotas and the like either in colleges or hiring NFL coaches would not be necessary.

As for JORR, you bring up the legacy thing a couple times but throughout the day it wasn't really in this discussion. I think it is a separate problem/issue really.

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Are you having difficulty reading today, Seacrest? Usually you can make a reasonable argument. The interviewer asked no such thing. Sotomayor said she views affirmative action in a positive light and that Thomas clearly does not. Don't forget she actually knows Thomas. She isn't reading his Wiki. She has had discussions with the man himself.

But the fifteen cent sticker story is interesting. And I'm sure from the interview that Sotomayor is well aware of it and exactly what experiences her colleague has had. In the interview she spoke of receiving the same type of treatment from a large law firm that Thomas did. She, however, did not allow said experience to make her believe her entire stint at university was a "mistake".

These are simply different viewpoints. No one is necessarily right or wrong. But I don't see how one would not consider Sotomayor's outlook to be the more positive of the two. The goal is for the university to turn out a successful and productive individual. If that occurs, however it happened, the individual was deserving.

This is quite an odd argument for me, because I most often find that it is the liberal who is strident and unwilling to grant the validity of an opposing viewpoint.

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