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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:40 pm 
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I know you are all very good friends with Doctors, but there is plenty of support.

I am withholding judgement until I hear from the plumber of chus.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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Come on, you have never seen The Simpson or Family Guy joke about Seizures from watching TV? I think one of them had a whole episode on it...it is the same effect....maybe doesnt result in a seizure, but plenty of other negative effects.

I love though that Lipid is ready to defend the entire gaming industry.

I love playing Call of Duty. So much that I dont own it, I dont own a video game system, they are just addicting...never really sure why gamers cant admit that? When I visit my sisters, I can play for 4 to 5 hours with no problem..I ma sure kids play for 10+ hours 5 days a week with no problem.

Just the time alone, cant be good

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:58 pm 
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Just the time alone, cant be good


I felt the same way until I discovered that the wife gave my son a bluetooth so he could play & talk with friends while playing for hours on end. Then I actually realized they (kids) could do more than text in their unintelligible language, and playing together online differed not all that much from some of what we did as kids. Go play ball for 3-4 hours and then video games for hours on end after that.

I actually worried the general same way about violent video games (for my own sons) as Biggie, but then lo and behold, my oldest grew out of the games by 13 (and the youngest is approaching that same arc) & are probably both better adjusted than I was at that age.

But that was a low bar to meet. :oops:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:33 pm 
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Just the time alone, cant be good


I felt the same way until I discovered that the wife gave my son a bluetooth so he could play & talk with friends while playing for hours on end. Then I actually realized they (kids) could do more than text in their unintelligible language, and playing together online differed not all that much from some of what we did as kids. Go play ball for 3-4 hours and then video games for hours on end after that.

I actually worried the general same way about violent video games (for my own sons) as Biggie, but then lo and behold, my oldest grew out of the games by 13 (and the youngest is approaching that same arc) & are probably both better adjusted than I was at that age.

But that was a low bar to meet. :oops:


I am not saying yes or no to the violence in the games, that's an entire other issue. My sister claims that me playing call of duty at their house when my nephew was 4 causes him to have nightmares todaY? yEAH, cOME ON MAN!

But flashing lights, sounds, motion for hours on end have effects on the brain. It's not really a discovery at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:29 am 
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1. Parenting: diligently and vigilantly teach your kids the right things:

A. Responsibility for actions

B. Consequences of messing with weapons

C. Impart upon them the ability to root out bullshit messages and advice

D. Nip bad habits in the bud, and fast, before they can bloom

E. NEVER, and I men NEVER allow your children to take ANY psychotropic or mood-altering drugs, prescription or non. Don't turn to shrinks to fix problems that you should be devoting time to fixing. When they are 18, they can go to college and do whatever the fuck they want if they have thus far proven that can handle the responsibility of self-governance.

2. When are the drug companies and the lazy Psychiatrists going to get their huge share of responsibility pinned upon them? When are they going to face "bans", mega-suits, and penalties?

I haven't read this thread but I agree with everything you said there.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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A few years ago I had my 7th graders form six groups to make up their own skits in reading class. Every group wanted to have someone shot or stabbed in their skit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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Come on, you have never seen The Simpson or Family Guy joke about Seizures from watching TV? I think one of them had a whole episode on it...it is the same effect....maybe doesnt result in a seizure, but plenty of other negative effects.


No, I haven't. Cite some. Specifically. A scientific study, mind you, not some random asshole that wants to be published.


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I love though that Lipid is ready to defend the entire gaming industry.


You apparently have little reading comprehension. He was pissed that the playing of video games was directly equated to child molestation.

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I love playing Call of Duty. So much that I dont own it, I dont own a video game system, they are just addicting...


Hooray for you. You feel that it's not in your best interests, so you don't have a system. Doesn't mean a fucking thing to anyone else walking the planet though. Your assessment of its qualities and supposed addictiveness (which like EVERYTHING ELSE is on a person-by-person basis) is your assessment only and counts for nothing more than that. Same should go for everyone else unless they have a no-bias interest in studying it properly.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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A few years ago I had my 7th graders form six groups to make up their own skits in reading class. Every group wanted to have someone shot or stabbed in their skit.


Senselessly, or did the deaths/attacks have a reason? Death is a terrific source of drama; always has been.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.


Crime in general, especially violent crime has been on a pretty steep and steady decline since 1995.

This is all theater and a game of 3 Card Monte, throw as much shit out there as you can and hopefully the people get distracted. The opportunity to float a trial balloon for restricting and censoring speech is the gravy.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.



You are absolutely correct. With the exception of big cities like Chicago for example and the odd maniac mass killing it is way down.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.

STOP STATING FACTS!!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.

STOP STATING FACTS!!


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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Nader
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.


Don't more people have guns now?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The problem with blaming video games, or violent tv and movies, or rap music is that in the United States violent crime has gone down as these have become more prevalent. Many numbers are at levels not seen since the 60s. Others are way down since the 90s.


Don't more people have guns now?


Gun sales are up but individual ownership/guns in household is declining slowly.


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