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 Post subject: Re: New PED Dispenser
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 Post subject: Re: New PED Scandal
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I hate to say this but I would be surprised if Ryan Braun's name doesn't show up. Especially considering he played at the University of Miami.


Good call, Hawger.

Ryan Braun's name appears in the records of the Miami-based Biogenesis clinic and Major League Baseball plans to investigate the link, according to Tim Brown and Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports.


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I hate to say this but I would be surprised if Ryan Braun's name doesn't show up. Especially considering he played at the University of Miami.


Good call, Hawger.

Ryan Braun's name appears in the records of the Miami-based Biogenesis clinic and Major League Baseball plans to investigate the link, according to Tim Brown and Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports.

Hope they get his cheatin' ass this time.


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 Post subject: Re: New PED Scandal
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Baseball will never be totally clean. The abundance of stick figures on the field I remember from my youth will remain a thing of the past. Whether that is due to chemicals or guys just spending time in the weight room doesn't matter to me any more. I no longer give a shit. Let 'em do what they want.

I agree. In fact, the sport was a lot more fun before all the "controversy" shit.


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According to the New York Daily News, Jesus Montero is named in records from the Miami-based Biogenesis clinic which reportedly distributed performance-enhancing drugs to players.

Add another name to the ever increasing list.


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According to the New York Daily News, Jesus Montero is named in records from the Miami-based Biogenesis clinic which reportedly distributed performance-enhancing drugs to players.

Add another name to the ever increasing list.

And take back any criticism the Yankees got for that trade when Pineda got hurt


Not lookin so bad now


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 Post subject: Re: New PED Scandal
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Mr. Reason wrote:
The abundance of stick figures on the field I remember from my youth will remain a thing of the past.


But that's society in general. I watched the PBS show on the Nazis marching in Skokie and I was struck by how slim and fit everyone was in 1977. Even most of the old people were very trim.

That was the Jews fault.

We consume far too many carbs and sugar, plain and simple. The USDA says we should have 300g of carbs a days. The only way not to gain weight eating that amount of carbs is to train for a Triathlon. It's evident by all the fatasses we have in society, we have very few triathletes. We no longer get enough animal protein and fat in our diets. The change in nutritional guidelines in the last 40 years have done more to harm the long term health of our society than any other issue or behavior out there. It's borderline criminal. Big agriculture in cahoots with the FDA and USDA are leading people down a road to disaster. Just another reason for me to despise the government. Humans evolved over many thousands of years to eat a low carb, high fat diet. Our diets are now 180 degrees out of phase and it shows everywhere you look. Take a look at crowd pictures of old sporting events. As Rodney said, most all of the men are relatively trim. It's not about exercise. You would have to devote your whole day to exercise to maintain your weight eating a diet that high in simple carbs. Our metabolism was designed, by nature, to burn fat for fuel. The metabolism of the overweight rely only on carbs for fuel. Therefore, their bodies store fat instead of using it for fuel. Insulin levels spike and drop throughout the day when you don't eat. You feel weak, so reach for that energy bar, filled with sugar and carbs. Your insulin level spike which puts stress on you internal organs. It's a vicious cycle. It's not about exercise, it's all about diet. Don't get me wrong, physical activity is important but diet is far more important. Your body does not process that 300 calorie bagel in the same way it does four eggs cooked in butter. Our digestive systems weren't designed to eat grains, especially in the amounts we now consume. The experts are wrong about most everything when it comes to nutrition. Many people don't want to hear that, but it's true. Butter is not bad. Animal fat is not bad. I always found it to be puzzling fat that was created in a lab is supposedly better for your body than one produced by nature. Consuming the right kind of fat does not make you fat, it make you thin. Genetically modifying crops increase the compounds that make them difficult for the bugs, which evolved to eat them, to digest them. What do you think that does to our digestive systems? Today's grains are not your grandmother's grains. We didn't evolve to be unhealthy. Our diets have made us that way.

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Tom Verducci of SI.com reports that Jhonny Peralta is named in the records of Biogenesis wellness clinic director Tony Bosch.

The list just got a lot fatter.


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 Post subject: Re: New PED Scandal
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Mr. Reason wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
The abundance of stick figures on the field I remember from my youth will remain a thing of the past.


But that's society in general. I watched the PBS show on the Nazis marching in Skokie and I was struck by how slim and fit everyone was in 1977. Even most of the old people were very trim.

That was the Jews fault.

We consume far too many carbs and sugar, plain and simple. The USDA says we should have 300g of carbs a days. The only way not to gain weight eating that amount of carbs is to train for a Triathlon. It's evident by all the fatasses we have in society, we have very few triathletes. We no longer get enough animal protein and fat in our diets. The change in nutritional guidelines in the last 40 years have done more to harm the long term health of our society than any other issue or behavior out there. It's borderline criminal. Big agriculture in cahoots with the FDA and USDA are leading people down a road to disaster. Just another reason for me to despise the government. Humans evolved over many thousands of years to eat a low carb, high fat diet. Our diets are now 180 degrees out of phase and it shows everywhere you look. Take a look at crowd pictures of old sporting events. As Rodney said, most all of the men are relatively trim. It's not about exercise. You would have to devote your whole day to exercise to maintain your weight eating a diet that high in simple carbs. Our metabolism was designed, by nature, to burn fat for fuel. The metabolism of the overweight rely only on carbs for fuel. Therefore, their bodies store fat instead of using it for fuel. Insulin levels spike and drop throughout the day when you don't eat. You feel weak, so reach for that energy bar, filled with sugar and carbs. Your insulin level spike which puts stress on you internal organs. It's a vicious cycle. It's not about exercise, it's all about diet. Don't get me wrong, physical activity is important but diet is far more important. Your body does not process that 300 calorie bagel in the same way it does four eggs cooked in butter. Our digestive systems weren't designed to eat grains, especially in the amounts we now consume. The experts are wrong about most everything when it comes to nutrition. Many people don't want to hear that, but it's true. Butter is not bad. Animal fat is not bad. I always found it to be puzzling fat that was created in a lab is supposedly better for your body than one produced by nature. Consuming the right kind of fat does not make you fat, it make you thin. Genetically modifying crops increase the compounds that make them difficult for the bugs, which evolved to eat them, to digest them. What do you think that does to our digestive systems? Today's grains are not your grandmother's grains. We didn't evolve to be unhealthy. Our diets have made us that way.


There is definately something going on with food in this country relative to the obesity problem (plus heart disease etc.) for sure. 60 minutes did a piece a year or so ago about how sugar/high fructose corn syrup (in place of old fashioned fat) is now in our foods and it's scary. The sugar/fructose basically is a toxic, highly addictive drug that is killing us in the long run and making us fat in the short term. Here is the link for those interested:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7417238n


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 Post subject: Re: New PED Scandal
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I no longer give a shit. Let 'em do what they want.

Only difference here is I didn't grow up with the bullshit romanticism. But really, steriods in sports remains the stupidest fucking "scandal" in sports. Only the truly naive are pushing these stories anymore. Let everybody take what they want and let the chips fall where they may. It really wouldnt drastically change the sporting landscape at all, which means it's already happening. Let's just acknowledge it and move on and stop wasting our collective time on this stupid bullshit.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
I no longer give a shit. Let 'em do what they want.

Only difference here is I didn't grow up with the bullshit romanticism. But really, steriods in sports remains the stupidest fucking "scandal" in sports. Only the truly naive are pushing these stories anymore. Let everybody take what they want and let the chips fall where they may. It really wouldnt drastically change the sporting landscape at all, which means it's already happening. Let's just acknowledge it and move on and stop wasting our collective time on this stupid bullshit.

I understand your point, however would this landscape not create a very dangerous pattern in young athletes? Remember when 'roids first hit and high schoolers were getting juiced up and going crazy?

Not a good thing at all.


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cpguy wrote:
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Mr. Reason wrote:
I no longer give a shit. Let 'em do what they want.

Only difference here is I didn't grow up with the bullshit romanticism. But really, steriods in sports remains the stupidest fucking "scandal" in sports. Only the truly naive are pushing these stories anymore. Let everybody take what they want and let the chips fall where they may. It really wouldnt drastically change the sporting landscape at all, which means it's already happening. Let's just acknowledge it and move on and stop wasting our collective time on this stupid bullshit.

I understand your point, however would this landscape not create a very dangerous pattern in young athletes? Remember when 'roids first hit and high schoolers were getting juiced up and going crazy?

Not a good thing at all.

I'm not sure enough on that to comment one way or the other. Only thing I'll say is that it doesn't change my position on the issue. It's not Ryan Braun's job to make sure your kid doesn't take steroids.

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FavreFan wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
I no longer give a shit. Let 'em do what they want.

Only difference here is I didn't grow up with the bullshit romanticism. But really, steriods in sports remains the stupidest fucking "scandal" in sports. Only the truly naive are pushing these stories anymore. Let everybody take what they want and let the chips fall where they may. It really wouldnt drastically change the sporting landscape at all, which means it's already happening. Let's just acknowledge it and move on and stop wasting our collective time on this stupid bullshit.


I can't stand Lance Armstrong and I never believed he was clean going back to when I first heard his name. I know too much about EPO usage in horses and I know it came from bike racing. And yeah, the guy did try to destroy other people who challenged him and painted himself as some kind of savior with Livestrong. But I just don't see how a guy like bernstein can find so much venom and vitriol for Armstrong while celebrating American football which has been a bastion for doping for at least 40 years.

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 Post subject: Re: New PED Dispenser
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I found at least two complete contradictions in this article. See how many times you can find Waldo.

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How fed up is Scott Boras, one of baseball’s most powerful agents, with the accessibility of performance-enhancing drugs in South Florida?


So fed up that Boras intends to open a private multi-million dollar sports fitness center for his clients who train in South Florida by next year.

Boras won’t say it explicitly, but his goal is to protect his clients from people like Anthony Bosch and places like the Biogenesis wellness clinic.

Biogenesis, founded by Bosch, allegedly sold PEDs to Alex Rodriguez and a number of major leaguers, according to a report by the Miami New Times last week.

“There has been recently an unusual frequency of Latin players who have been subjected to rogue information and to individuals portraying themselves to be medically trained when they’re not,” Boras said.

“We want to make sure we’re making every effort to advance the credibility and understanding of what major league players must abide by and also to protect them from the influences of many of these supposed medical practitioners who are availing themselves to the players.”

Some may interpret Boras’ actions and comments as too little, too late – Boras has represented several players who are either alleged or confirmed to have used PEDs, including Rodriguez, Barry Bonds and Manny Ramirez.

Baseball suspended Ramirez in May 2009 for using a banned substance that, according to ESPN.com, he received from Bosch’s father Pedro, with Anthony Bosch serving as a contact between the two. Boras was Ramirez’s agent at that time, and also when Ramirez suddenly retired in April 2011 due to a drug issue.


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Boras, who earned a doctorate in industrial pharmacology at the University of the Pacific, said he had no knowledge of any of his clients using PEDs, and began advising players in the late 1990s that the drugs “dramatically” affect joints, tendons and ligaments, effectively shortening careers.

“My answer to this is that we’re only as good as the information that we have,” Boras said. “These processes (at the training centers) are designed to further the communication, the understanding and our knowledge so we can do our best to promote the integrity of the game, advance the careers of players and also allow the teams that employ them to have a greater sense of trust and understanding about players.

“My belief is that all of us are accountable. We all — and I’m talking about myself, union officials, owners, club personnel — we all could have done a better job. But I always say the best thing we can do is learn from the situation and then take aggressive steps to ensure that we’re doing everything possible to advance the integrity of the game.”

Boras said he began planning to open the South Florida version of the Boras Sports Training Institute in Sept. 2012. He does not charge clients to use such centers, which feature a variety of training facilities and are staffed by trainers and sports psychologists.


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The South Florida institute, Boras said, will be run by one of his newest employees — Miami resident and former major league outfielder Alex Ochoa, who spent last season as the first-base coach for the Boston Red Sox.

Boras’ original center opened at Soka University of America in Aliso Viejo, Calif., in 2003. Steve Odgers, a former Chicago White Sox strength and conditioning coach, heads Boras’ sports fitness program. Don Carman, a former major league pitcher who later became a sports psychologist, heads the mental-development program.

Boras said the idea is to “bring about a certain level of assurance that the players we represent are certainly given the best information and best professional training. We intend to certainly work with the team trainers and the clubs in sharing and advancing information about what the players are doing. We feel we can best avoid all of the outside resources that are attacking these young men and providing them with false information and less than licensed professional medical assistance.”

Boras is adamant: He wants the game cleaned up.

“I think players are well-intended,” Boras said. “They want to follow the integrity of the game to the closest scrutiny. But the reality is, a lot of them in the ‘90s didn’t know. They didn’t know the impact … they didn’t know what the rules were because there is a sub-culture that operates.

“Now we want to eliminate that. We want to be very clear. I know my clients are vehement about wanting to make sure that our game is viewed with the proper integrity and their performances are viewed appropriately so that this is eradicated from the game.”

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