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I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

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Don't forget what they wore when it started. I think they can do one thing to make the game safer.
They could blow the whistle quicker to lessen the piling on and stop the extra effort stuff that leads to injury.

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They could blow the whistle quicker to lessen the piling on and stop the extra effort stuff that leads to injury.

No.

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I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids


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They've already been making changes steadily over the last 10-15 years. No reason to think that won't continue...but how drastic the NFL looks in 20 years compared to now? Hard to say.


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they will continue to pussify it until ratings go down. then they will unpussify it.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I know there are parents that are doing this, but I have not heard of one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I sorta agree with this. But there will always be "Good Ol Boys" from Alabama, Mississippi, or Texas that will play no matter what dangers are known. A few hits in the head might actually help these guys anyway. You might see youth football kinda drop off in middle class and Upper Middle Class children, but it will always be king down south, and I don't think anything will change that.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I sorta agree with this. But there will always be "Good Ol Boys" from Alabama, Mississippi, or Texas that will play no matter what dangers are known. A few hits in the head might actually help these guys anyway. You might see youth football kinda drop off in middle class and Upper Middle Class children, but it will always be king down south, and I don't think anything will change that.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I sorta agree with this. But there will always be "Good Ol Boys" from Alabama, Mississippi, or Texas that will play no matter what dangers are known. A few hits in the head might actually help these guys anyway. You might see youth football kinda drop off in middle class and Upper Middle Class children, but it will always be king down south, and I don't think anything will change that.

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Taking away the shot at southerners, do you not agree?

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Douchebag wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I sorta agree with this. But there will always be "Good Ol Boys" from Alabama, Mississippi, or Texas that will play no matter what dangers are known. A few hits in the head might actually help these guys anyway. You might see youth football kinda drop off in middle class and Upper Middle Class children, but it will always be king down south, and I don't think anything will change that.

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Taking away the shot at southerners, do you not agree?

Some, but you lose the point of your post by taking the shot, it wasn't necessary. Again, my son plays and I would never tell him not to, but I am just another idiot from down south. Maybe I took to many shots to the head.

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This is similar to the "College football will go away if an option came around that paid them instead" idea. It's false. The level of play in the NFL doesn't matter. We wouldn't notice if the guys were a little bit slower or smaller because the talent pool is less. As long as there is millions of dollars available there will be good athletes looking to get that money and there will be fans to watch.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I know there are parents that are doing this, but I have not heard of one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I know there are parents that are doing this, but I have not heard of one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.

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I agree with the sentiments above, there will always be enough fodder for the football machine. Most people don't care about such things as potential brain damage. Seriously.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I say no. Pay people enough and they will line up to take the risk.

This reminds me of the steroid problems of the 80s. I remember Lyle Alzado as the face of "don't do steroids" There was a provable and life threatening risk involved by taking them with additional side effects that were almost equally as ruinous. Yet here we are today with the entire league juicing.

and it is not just at the pro level that people are willing to take the risk. If the high school football players are the ones going to parties and getting laid, people are going to risk health to be a high school football player (they already knowingly do it)

Finally, if Zach Zaidman thinks it will either be changed or eliminated, I feel comfortable being on the opposite side of the debate.

There will definitely be a shift if Parents continue to trend towards avoiding football for their kids

I know there are parents that are doing this, but I have not heard of one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.

My son didn't play until 6th grade and our old high school coach used to say the same thing about not playing until Jr. High/Middle School.

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I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.

My son didn't play until 6th grade and our old high school coach used to say the same thing about not playing until Jr. High/Middle School.[/quote]

It seems like a strange warning. My son started playing in 2nd grade. There was almost zero damage of any type of injury at that age. You learn a little about football, stay in shape and get to play around in fun gear.

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In the town we live in, there is no tackle football until 5th grade now, but that just started last year. Other people took their kids elsewhere for tackle, but I figured he would get hit enough over the years if he wanted to play. A lot of has to do with bones maturing and there bodies, but I see what you are saying.

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It will eventually go the way of boxing (meaning dominated by lower income people, not popularity)


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one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.[/quote]

I kind of agree. Sports are too competitive and started too early. It's not good for them. I feel like all it does is line pockets of the orginizations and make parents seem crazy.


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Most parents who do not want their kids playing football put them in soccer. Just wait until more studies come out like this one on the head Injuries caused by soccer. Eventually cross country could benefit, but then again that sport is linked to lots of kids with eating disorders...


Hitting a Soccer Ball With Your Head Linked to Brain Injuries
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Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Hitting a soccer ball with your head, a technique used in scoring and passing, over time is linked to brain injuries that can affect memory in amateur adult players, researchers found.

Those who “headed” the ball more than 1,300 times a year, the equivalent of a few times a day, were more likely to have injuries to areas of the brain responsible for attention, memory, planning, organizing and vision, according to research presented today at the annual meeting of the Radiological Society of North America in Chicago.

Brain injuries in sports are receiving more attention as states and sports organizations enact rules to increase safety. Soccer balls can go as fast as 34 miles (55 kilometers) an hour during recreational play and more than twice that speed in professional games, researchers said. Determining how much heading a person can do before injuring the brain is the next step, said lead study author Michael Lipton.

“We have the potential for an intervention that could really mitigate this problem, which is do the further research to completely define the range of heading that’s safe,” said Lipton, director of the Gruss Magnetic Resonance Research Center at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine in Bronx, New York, in a Nov. 21 telephone interview. “There seems to be a potential for a threshold below which the activity might be safe but above which might lead to long-term problems.”

Most-Popular Sport

Soccer, or football as it’s known outside the U.S., is the world’s most-popular sport. While about 78 percent of the 18 million Americans who play are under the age of 18, it’s unclear what the findings might mean for kids, Lipton said.

“There is a lot of reason to be concerned that the effects could be magnified in children,” he said.

The American Academy of Pediatrics said in a 2010 report that there isn’t enough information to link repetitive heading with permanent cognitive impairment. The Academy does encourage heading to be taught only when the child can learn the proper technique and has developed coordinated use of the head, neck and upper body.

Chris Koutures, lead author of the 2010 report and a pediatrician and sports medicine specialist in Anaheim Hills, California, said in a Nov. 21 telephone interview that children may be able to start heading at 10 or 11 years of age.


Lipton and colleagues looked at brain images of 39 amateur soccer players from the greater New York City area whose average age was 31 and who had played the sport from childhood. The players were asked how many times they headed a ball in the past year.

The researchers used the images to quantify how damaged, on a microscopic level, the wiring of the brain had become with repeated heading. What they found was similar to what is seen in people with concussions, Lipton said. Significant injury occurred once a player exceeded 1,000 to 1,500 headers a year, the researchers said.

“It was pretty eye opening to us when we went out and quantified how much of this people were doing,” Lipton said. “Our range of heading went up to over 6,000 times a year.”

Unlike in sports like football and hockey where the brain injuries are mostly concussions and how to stop that trauma is to avoid being hit, in soccer, the brain trauma seems to occur from repetitive headings, Lipton said.

An earlier study presented at the International Neuropsychological Society in Boston in February, which focused on these same players, showed that those who had the highest rates of heading were more likely than those who had fewer headings to perform worse on memory tests, he said.

“In the past, pitchers in Little League Baseball sustained shoulder injuries that were alarming, but ongoing research has helped shape various approaches, including limits on the amount of pitching a child performs, which have substantially reduced the incidence of these injuries,” Lipton said in a statement. “Brain injury due to heading in children, if we confirm that it occurs, may not show up on our radar because the impairment will not be immediate and can easily be attributed to other causes.”

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I would tell my kid he can play soccer, but the first time he tries a header, he's off the team.

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one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.


I kind of agree. Sports are too competitive and started too early. It's not good for them. I feel like all it does is line pockets of the orginizations and make parents seem crazy.[/quote]
I agree on the early thing.

My daughter started t ball a month before turning 6. Her 3 year old cousin started a month later in his town.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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one parent that I know personally that has not let their kid play because of this. Nas had a nice discussion on Facebook about this yesterday.


I coach youth football here in PA. It is still as huge as ever. There are definitely parents though that are reluctant or don't let their kids play. This is not generally due to any new CTE craze. There is an ex-pro in our town that has told a lot of parents not to let their kids play football until Jr High and that has been the main issue.


I kind of agree. Sports are too competitive and started too early. It's not good for them. I feel like all it does is line pockets of the orginizations and make parents seem crazy.

I agree on the early thing.

My daughter started t ball a month before turning 6. Her 3 year old cousin started a month later in his town.

3 yo? Cmon Son[/quote]

People have to get a head start on chasing the almost non existent scholarship money available.

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It will eventually go the way of boxing (meaning dominated by lower income people, not popularity)

That's what ZZ kept saying when he guest hosted the nighttime SCORE for Laurence Holmes last night. This from a guy who is the WBBM/Bears Radio Network sideline reporter during gamedays, in addition to his Bears' reporting & calling DePaul basketball losses on The SCORE. It's a numbing thought.


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ZZ is such a scrotum. He said today, football is the most popular sport this country has ever seen.

Dickface, go back to the 40s and 50s when baseball was the ONLY sport (besides boxing) that anyone gave a shit about. Baseball stars back then were like Hollywood stars today.

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ZZ is such a scrotum. He said today, football is the most popular sport this country has ever seen.

Dickface, go back to the 40s and 50s when baseball was the ONLY sport (besides boxing) that anyone gave a shit about. Baseball stars back then were like Hollywood stars today.

He also said last night that kids might end up playing sports that aren't as risky such as baseball, basketball and others without the contact as football.


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