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Two of the biggest stories in Cubs camp Monday involved Tony Campana and Alfonso Soriano. The former is leaving, while the latter would do so only grudgingly, and both represent object lessons for Cubs fans and management.

Actually, Campana and Soriano represent embarrassments for Cubs fans and management, but I was overcome by a spasm of charitability just there.

Campana was traded to the Diamondbacks for pitching, and a lot of Cubs fans were saddened. If not a lot of fans, then a vocal bunch. This is wrong. Stop it. You shouldn’t feel sad that Campana was traded, you should rejoice.

Campana can do one thing: run fast. He cannot hit major-league pitching and he can’t do enough defensively to deodorize his, um, shortcomings. The fact that the Cubs got anything for someone so limited is amazing. Bad pitching prospects are a better gamble than a bad major-leaguer.

Cubs fans always adore mascots. Cut it out already. Root for actual baseball players. Learn the difference. Anthony Rizzo, yes. Jorge Soler, yes. Root for five-tool players. Stop falling in love with Beanie Babies.

Cubs fans ought to be smarter than that. Cubs fans should save their biggest cheers for real talent, not someone they can pet.

While legions of idiot Cubs fans might never learn the Campana lesson, it’s harmless compared to the Soriano disaster that management can never repeat.

The problem with the never-ending Soriano episode is just that: It’s never-ending. Soriano signed an eight-year deal worth $136 million, but the deal always seems to have eight years left on it. Soriano is nothing close to what was advertised and he sounds like he might never leave.

He had a chance to do so last year, but he refused to ditch a team headed for 100 losses, exercising his no-trade clause to San Francisco. Soriano said the Bay Area’s cold weather would aggravate his knee problems.

Yes. Well. You wouldn’t want those knees hindered while running onto the field to celebrate a World Series.

Here’s the deal: The Cubs should never again want a player who would rather play for their hopeless cause than take a shot at winning. Clean out the loser mentality that feeds an embarrassing culture.

There are other lessons from the Soriano mess that seem just as obvious, but they bear repeating because they can kill a franchise’s future. Do it again, and you might as well change “Welcome to the Friendly Confines’’ to “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.’’

No more no-trade clauses. No more big-money free-agent deals that pay for past performance instead of future production. No more looking at free agency as the shortcut to competing every year. No more bidding against yourself.

The Cubs’ new management is following those rules while trying to get rid of Soriano. But remember, Theo Epstein committed that kind of clown signing in Boston. Take a bow, Carl Crawford, but don’t pull a hamstring doing it.

Since taking over the Cubs, Epstein and general manager Jed Hoyer have acted consistent with their word. They have tried to build up the farm system through the draft and trading of assets, claiming they will add free agents only to complete a winning team. We’ll see if they remain as disciplined as they’re talking.

Interesting day, Monday. The Cubs got rid of one outfielder while trying to dump another. You didn’t have to look very hard to see the insanity that Cubs Nation needs to cure.

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So who is he talking to exactly? The 85 year old women who go to the conventions with their Cub gear on?

Listen,I'm a Cub Meatball,but I know what I'm looking at. Every fan knows Soriano has not lived up to that crazy money he was given. Tony C was a nice kid with a incredible story who overcame Cancer and fought the odds to have any kind of ML career. He was fine as a 5th OF,but I prefer Scott Hairston and Brett Jackson or Dave Sappelt.

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Steve Rosenbloom wrote:
Cubs fans ought to be smarter than that. Cubs fans should save their biggest cheers for real talent, not someone they can pet.


Writers ought to be smarter than that. Writers should save their biggest criticisms for real stories, not some pet story about feelings that no Cub fan has.

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I used to loathe Augie Ojeda for all he represented, but it faded.

I dont care who likes who and why. Just win.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Steve Rosenbloom wrote:
Cubs fans ought to be smarter than that. Cubs fans should save their biggest cheers for real talent, not someone they can pet.


Writers ought to be smarter than that. Writers should save their biggest criticisms for real stories, not some pet story about feelings that no Cub fan has.

Cub fan: Oh, the Cubs traded Campana huh? He was a fun guy to watch on the bases.

SCORE: OMG, YOU LOVE HIM!!! STOP BEING AN IDIOT


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I used to loathe Augie Ojeda for all he represented, but it faded.

I dont care who likes who and why. Just win.


Ha,Thanks for bringing him up. I could not believe how long his career extended. He would not go away. Very well said!

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I used to loathe Augie Ojeda for all he represented, but it faded.

I dont care who likes who and why. Just win.


Ha,Thanks for bringing him up. I could not believe how long his career extended. He would not go away. Very well said!

and then he helped the Diamondbacks sweep the Cubs in 07


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Steve Rosenbloom wrote:
Cubs fans ought to be smarter than that. Cubs fans should save their biggest cheers for real talent, not someone they can pet.


Writers ought to be smarter than that. Writers should save their biggest criticisms for real stories, not some pet story about feelings that no Cub fan has.

Cub fan: Oh, the Cubs traded Campana huh? He was a fun guy to watch on the bases.

SCORE: OMG, YOU LOVE HIM!!! STOP BEING AN IDIOT


Agreed. It might be best for Cub fans to passionately hate all their players all the time. That way if one is ever traded no one can say "You used to like that player. You are so stupid. Stop being stupid."

Somebody write that column.

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Cubbie Nation needs to listen to these words of wisdom.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Cubbie Nation needs to listen to these words of wisdom.

Stay out of the Cubbie Nation's Summits


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Same shit can be said about White Sox fans and Podsednik, Lillibridge, Ozuna, etc. Or actually any fucking fanbase.


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Kirkwood wrote:
Same shit can be said about White Sox fans and Podsednik, Lillibridge, Ozuna, etc. Or actually any fucking fanbase.
Cubbie Nation is in denial.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Same shit can be said about White Sox fans and Podsednik, Lillibridge, Ozuna, etc. Or actually any fucking fanbase.
Cubbie Nation is in denial.

Why dont you save your quips for those that live on "The Soxside"?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Same shit can be said about White Sox fans and Podsednik, Lillibridge, Ozuna, etc. Or actually any fucking fanbase.
Cubbie Nation is in denial.

Why dont you save your quips for those that live on "The Soxside"?
Why does it always come back to the Sox for Cubbie Nation?

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I agree with what was written. Cubs fans have always fallen in love with second tier, grindy players who don't help you win championships. Look no farther than all the Theriot shirts. Nice player, but he doesn't make a big difference. I am already sick of all the false optimism I am hearing from my friends. Luckily, Cubs management is doing the right things to get the revenues up, payroll down, and stocking themselves with young players. That post-WGN tv rights deal is going to be a thing.

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Speaking as a member of Cubbie Nation, were just trying to live in a sovereign state but you Soxsiders keep trying to force your trailerpark and tatoos lifestyle on our peaceful nation.


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I agree with what was written. Cubs fans have always fallen in love with second tier, grindy players who don't help you win championships. Look no farther than all the Theriot shirts. Nice player, but he doesn't make a big difference. I am already sick of all the false optimism I am hearing from my friends. Luckily, Cubs management is doing the right things to get the revenues up, payroll down, and stocking themselves with young players. That post-WGN tv rights deal is going to be a thing.

Who is the most popular Cub player in your lifetime?

Who was the best?


Sammy Sosa is the answer to both (putting any ped use aside and looking at results)


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Cubs fans have always fallen in love with second tier, grindy players who don't help you win championships.

Nearly every fanbase does this. Not some special Cubs thing. Lazy attack made by writers/hosts who don't want to work hard.


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Kirkwood wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Cubs fans have always fallen in love with second tier, grindy players who don't help you win championships.

Nearly every fanbase does this. Not some special Cubs thing. Lazy attack made by writers/hosts who don't want to work hard.

Bo Jackson hit 19 homeruns and batted about .230 for the White Stockings.

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RPB, I agree with that, although he was not my favorite player. In any case, the current roster has Castro and Rizzo as the only players I really care about. The rest can be shipped off, and I wouldn't care. Folks have fallen in love with second tier non star players since the day I first stepped into Wrigley, from Jodi Davis chants to Shawon o meters. Of course fans cheer for great players too, but I saw a heck of a lot of love for replacement type guys (Matt Clement facial hair anyone?).

I am just saying I agree with the article.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Steve Rosenbloom wrote:
Cubs fans ought to be smarter than that. Cubs fans should save their biggest cheers for real talent, not someone they can pet.


Writers ought to be smarter than that. Writers should save their biggest criticisms for real stories, not some pet story about feelings that no Cub fan has.

Cub fan: Oh, the Cubs traded Campana huh? He was a fun guy to watch on the bases.

SCORE: OMG, YOU LOVE HIM!!! STOP BEING AN IDIOT


To be fair, Campana was trending on twitter yesterday, and our very own Bigfan said that Campana was a GREAT guy to have on the bench.

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Who is the most popular Cub player in your lifetime?

Who was the best?


Sammy Sosa is the answer to both (putting any ped use aside and looking at results)


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The Edwin Jackson contract signed this year is the same type of contract he warns against.

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Kirkwood wrote:
Same shit can be said about White Sox fans and Podsednik, Lillibridge, Ozuna, etc. Or actually any fucking fanbase.


or the Cubs with Lillibridge two years later

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RPB, I agree with that, although he was not my favorite player. In any case, the current roster has Castro and Rizzo as the only players I really care about. The rest can be shipped off, and I wouldn't care. Folks have fallen in love with second tier non star players since the day I first stepped into Wrigley, from Jodi Davis chants to Shawon o meters. Of course fans cheer for great players too, but I saw a heck of a lot of love for replacement type guys (Matt Clement facial hair anyone?).

I am just saying I agree with the article.

The "Smart Fan" bullshit being screamed by an increasing number of sports writers/authors is annoying as shit. Having a favorite player whose WAR is under 2.0 has become some kind of crime.


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Kirk, I am not trying to be preachy, and I am with you about "smart" fans. But as a lifelong Cubs fan who attends lots of games and watches/listens to almost all games, I get sick of the my fellow fans. You can't have a reasonable conversation about the composition of the team because fans fall in love with expendable second tier players. Just this weekend I was trying to downplay the Cubs chances in 2013, and a guy was telling me the Notre Dame receiver is the reason we have a chance this year. We literally have two potential major league stars on this roster, and almost no proven talent. This team has zero chance. How can I argue with people that think Darwin Barney is the answer?

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Kirk, I am not trying to be preachy, and I am with you about "smart" fans. But as a lifelong Cubs fan who attends lots of games and watches/listens to almost all games, I get sick of the my fellow fans. You can't have a reasonable conversation about the composition of the team because fans fall in love with expendable second tier players. Just this weekend I was trying to downplay the Cubs chances in 2013, and a guy was telling me the Notre Dame receiver is the reason we have a chance this year. We literally have two potential major league stars on this roster, and almost no proven talent. This team has zero chance. How can I argue with people that think Darwin Barney is the answer?

I understand what you mean. But, to say the celebration of grindy players and such is special only to "Cubbie Nation" is wrong and lazy.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Who is the most popular Cub player in your lifetime?

Who was the best?


Sammy Sosa is the answer to both (putting any ped use aside and looking at results)


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Ryne Sandberg is probably the answer to both.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Who is the most popular Cub player in your lifetime?

Who was the best?


Sammy Sosa is the answer to both (putting any ped use aside and looking at results)


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Ryne Sandberg is probably the answer to both.


If we are to ignore the use of PEDs, then Sosa was the best Cub in my lifetime.

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