Can you elaborate on this?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's like someone who is fat and says, "I have the fat gene." There may be certain predispositions in the family, but ultimately you have to come the place where you accept responsibility. Well, I may be fat, but it's because I have chosen to overeat.

Once you realize you've made a choice to be where you are, then you can make a choice to take a different course.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

So are you saying you are not an argumentitive prick by choice?

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Anyone with a basic understanding of the nature/nurture debate would know that how I am can be controlled but ultimately how I am is based in part due to the genetic code that your God chose to give me.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sorry BRick. You control your own behaviors to a large extent.

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Less than you'd think. I'd cite science but as we've established you really wouldn't care.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's excactly right. I know this because I saw the Fugitive and people who are missing limbs cannot be tried for crimes. It's fact.

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Correct. That's why Ron Santo and that surfer girl who fed her arm to a shark (not our SHARK) never even got a traffic ticket.

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It's always convenient to blame your genes or your environment for your problems in life. As though those things are the only things that control your behavior. Certainly they do play a big role, but if you choose not to say you have a choice then you've chosen to be a victim of your circumstance. It's like saying because a man is from a rough background that he is justified in committing crimes because he was born into an impoverished family.

The pattern of denial has to be broken in terms of what was the man was born with and what he must choose to do with his life. It's like saying I am merely the product of my genes and environment and I cannot possibly change, so I should not be expected to change. To say you don't have a choice is to choose to not change.

In the illustration about Pistorius, he can't change the fact that he doesn't have legs. But he shouldn't try to use it as a justification for murder either. The man born in a poor family didn't choose to be in a poor family, but he did choose to commit crime. A person who is described as "gay" may not choose to have those feelings how ever they developed. But that person is responsible for what they choose to do with those feelings. You can get help or you can deny there is a problem and take no responsibility for your action.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

It's sad that you view being gay as having a problem.

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Statistically speaking gay men have shorter life expectancy than the average man. So you don't see any problem for a group of people who are dying earlier because of their lifestyle?

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

People who are left handed have a shorter life expectancy as well but I think we finally got past the all lefties are pawns of the devil thinking. Although with this board I could be wrong.

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Why should someone be forced to justify being gay? I don't think someone should apologize for it like a criminal.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Shouldn't you be happy that they're dying earlier?

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Black men have a shorter life expectancy than the average man.
Are they next on your crusade to save America?

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The APA disagrees with "Mini Ditka."

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I'm attracted to brunettes but have only dated dishwater blondes. I take what I can get!

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i'm going to guess that men with cancer also have a shorter life expectancy than the average man.

whatever the average man is.

One of the reasons why same-sex marriage is being pushed is because the gay movement wants their relationships to be justified before the law. Once they have the law on their side they will use it to throw all the "bigoted" pastors in jail for teaching that that the Bible says their lifestyle is wrong.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

I used to jump rope. I stopped. Doesn't make jumping rope a disease

I do not think homosexuality is a disease or disorder of any kind.

I guess Mini Ditka does. That's why my original point was he shouldn't hold his breath waiting for gays to go away.

Fascinating

Do you know any gay. people well? Just asking.

I wonder how your view was shaped (other than God which has been mentioned)

Is that god bringing justice, in your opinion ?

when god has an agenda, it's a good thing.

I go back and forth on God

God's justice involves the death of his Son in exchange for the souls of men.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Maybe ask those parents in Sandy Hook about God extracting justice on a bunch of 5 yr old kids. God's plan though, right?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I think we are getting off track if suddenly we believe that every tragedy that happens is God's plan. I don't think people understand the power of human will to do evil on Earth.

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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Not to mention awfully convenient

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

well make up your mind. either there's human will or there's god's will. god made man, so if man can do something, god willed it. it's simple logic.

remember, it was god's will to destroy job's whole family to prove a point.

Did you edit your NAMBLA post?

I also think you lack knowledge of the justice system. People don't get thrown in jail for thinking that the choices another person makes are wrong. Otherwise, you know, the Catholics would have all the people who get divorced thrown in jail.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!