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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:52 am 
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A tight end and better blocking,play calling will fix most of the offense.

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It's amazing how one press conference convinced most of Chicago that the offensive line they were watching last year wasn't shitty.

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Everyone knows the line needs to improve, but the packers seem to get it done with a worse line n running backs.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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It's amazing how one press conference convinced most of Chicago that the offensive line they were watching last year wasn't shitty.

I think just about everyone thinks that the Bears OLine is abysmal and is concerened. Who is saying otherwise?

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:49 am 
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So according to that article 22 out of 59 draft selections are starters. 37%.

What are those who are considered good at the draft getting?

I cannot imagine it is that much higher?

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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Irish Boy wrote:
It's amazing how one press conference convinced most of Chicago that the offensive line they were watching last year wasn't shitty.


But...but...he quoted stats! Never mind the fact that Emery discounted run-blocking from his assessment and that the Bears were frequently forced to run one- or two-receiver routes so they could keep extra blockers at the line (I wonder how many times the 49ers did that last year given that Emery said the Bears are basically as good as the SF line), the Bears have a solid corps of linemen!

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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Irish Boy wrote:
It's amazing how one press conference convinced most of Chicago that the offensive line they were watching last year wasn't shitty.


But...but...he quoted stats! Never mind the fact that Emery discounted run-blocking from his assessment and that the Bears were frequently forced to run one- or two-receiver routes so they could keep extra blockers at the line (I wonder how many times the 49ers did that last year given that Emery said the Bears are basically as good as the SF line), the Bears have a solid corps of linemen!


You have to be realistic. They aren't getting an immediate starter at LT out of the draft. They probably don't have the money for one in FA. Best case is that they get either Cooper or Warmack in the draft who are immediate OG starters, Carimi finally becomes a RT and Louis can come back from injury...maybe even get the best OC in the draft in the 4th round.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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The problem isn't that he might fail in overhauling the line, or that the resources are available. A lot of that is out of his control. The problem is that he seems to think slot receiver is a bigger problem at the moment.

Maybe it's all a smokescreen. We'll find out more in April.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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So most of Chicago is now convinced that the Bears Offensive Line isn't as shitty as they were last year?
I don't think so...

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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Nah, everyone knows the line has to be better..but cutler needs to rollout more n not sit in the pocket too long. The bears have cap problems, if urlacher is signed, cutler is extended than Emery is as bad as Angelo.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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Pretty good player for a fourth round pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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No doubt, pretty good for a 4th...not good enough to tag though...the cap is around 120 million ...this probably. Means no $ to sign urlacher..which is good.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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This probably wouldn't have been done if they had not raised the cap yesterday or whatever to +123M

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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RFDC wrote:
So according to that article 22 out of 59 draft selections are starters. 37%.

What are those who are considered good at the draft getting?

I cannot imagine it is that much higher?

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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So according to that article 22 out of 59 draft selections are starters. 37%.

What are those who are considered good at the draft getting?

I cannot imagine it is that much higher?

:?:


I used to have some numbers on this, but I'm having trouble finding them. This is very unscientific, but it may help to think of it in terms of players per draft. Polian says his standard was 4-5 guys out of a 7-player draft, which would be between 57% and 64%. Erstwhile Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt put the leaguewide average at around 40%. [link] A tally of 37% means you're getting 2.5 starters out of every seven picks, which is not good.

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 Post subject: Re: Phil Emery Fan Club
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RFDC wrote:
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So according to that article 22 out of 59 draft selections are starters. 37%.

What are those who are considered good at the draft getting?

I cannot imagine it is that much higher?

:?:

I have no idea where that guy got his numbers, and I'm not dying to go through 59 draft picks right now, but I have 6 of 24 Chiefs drafted by Emery (edit: drafted while Emery was head scout) which started a game in 2012. Of those six, one player started one game (though that was injury related), one started three, and one was a kicker. And that's on the Chiefs, which weren't exactly overflowing with talent.

Add in the Bears 2012 draft class and that makes 7/30 drafted by Emery since 2009 who started a game last season.

I count 13/31 for Angelo since 2008, by the way, and that doesn't include Johnny Knox, who probably would have started a few games last season if he hadn't been snapped in half. It also doesn't take into account that 8 of those 31 picks were 7th rounders, or that Angelo only had two first round picks over that time because of the Cutler trade. Granted, some of those players were bad starters, but some of Emery's players were bad starters, too, and for a far worse team. There were more players who started a game in the NFL last season in each of Angelo's drafts since 2006 (if you don't want to count Hester) or 2005 (if you don't) than who started a game from Emery's 2012 draft.

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I could be wrong, but after a quick eyeballing, it looks like Phil Emery had only one player (apart from Ryan Succop, a kicker) drafted in the fourth round or later who started a game last season, and that player started only a single game.















Frank Omiyale.

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Ah, I take that back, Jason Snelling started two games at fullback for the Falcons.

As I go through this, I'm finding the only way you can get to 22 starters is by including the guys like Snelling and Omiyale who started one or two games.

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IIRC, Emery said pre-draft last year "We need impact players out of this draft". Could any of his picks be labeled "impact"?


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IIRC, Emery said pre-draft last year "We need impact players out of this draft". Could any of his picks be labeled "impact"?

A couple of the early ones (early in terms of place in the draft). Eric Berry and Matt Ryan obviously qualify, I think. Sam Baker struggled a little early but has become a solid tackle. Justin Houston made the pro bowl (as an injury alternate) this season and is probably Emery's best value pick, in the third round. It took a while for Roddy White but he's there now.

He's been about average in his first round picks, which is one area where Angelo did struggle. There are some solid selections, some decent ones, and a few stinkers. He has gotten absolutely nothing out of the fourth through seventh rounds, though.

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