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Doesn't this go against what you and others have said regarding Taker's streak? It should be used to put someone over that needs the push. Punk does not need it.


Kinda.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see an up and comer feud with Taker for a good 6 months and have it culminate with a win over Taker at Mania.

But that would require Taker to be around more and I don't think he wants that anymore. In which case, use the streak to elevate someone from a great to a legend.


Punk did claim to be god last week and then went on to lose his 3rd big match in a row. Being able to say you ended the streak would bring him closer to his god claim.

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Doesn't this go against what you and others have said regarding Taker's streak? It should be used to put someone over that needs the push. Punk does not need it.


Kinda.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see an up and comer feud with Taker for a good 6 months and have it culminate with a win over Taker at Mania.

But that would require Taker to be around more and I don't think he wants that anymore. In which case, use the streak to elevate someone from a great to a legend.

It's also a very dangerous thing to do.

You don't want to waste a push like that on someone who will flame out and not live up to it. Suppose they would have put Jack Swagger over Taker at WrestleMania in 2010 back when Swagger was initially over. It would have been a huge mistake. He wasn't prepared to live up to a push like that. That's just one example. I can't think of an up-and-comer right now who could legitimately look like a threat to Taker's streak or be taken seriously after beating him. Not even Dolph Ziggler is on that level, as much as I like him.

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Doesn't this go against what you and others have said regarding Taker's streak? It should be used to put someone over that needs the push. Punk does not need it.


Kinda.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see an up and comer feud with Taker for a good 6 months and have it culminate with a win over Taker at Mania.

But that would require Taker to be around more and I don't think he wants that anymore. In which case, use the streak to elevate someone from a great to a legend.

It's also a very dangerous thing to do.

You don't want to waste a push like that on someone who will flame out and not live up to it. Suppose they would have put Jack Swagger over Taker at WrestleMania in 2010 back when Swagger was initially over. It would have been a huge mistake. He wasn't prepared to live up to a push like that. That's just one example. I can't think of an up-and-comer right now who could legitimately look like a threat to Taker's streak or be taken seriously after beating him. Not even Dolph Ziggler is on that level, as much as I like him.


I think if Randy Orton wasn't such a penis, he would have been perfect back during his "Legend Killer" run.

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Good thoughts Kid.

I think all things considered Taker should win the next 2 Mania matches and ride off into the sunset with his perfect streak.

There really isn't anyone that could handle that push right now. Cena and Punk do not need it. You do not give it to someone just to give it to them.

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Good thoughts Kid.

I think all things considered Taker should win the next 2 Mania matches and ride off into the sunset with his perfect streak.

There really isn't anyone that could handle that push right now. Cena and Punk do not need it. You do not give it to someone just to give it to them.


Cesaro next year maybe?

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It's kind of weird that one of Shawn's 50 nicknames is Mr. Wrestlemania considering 'Taker's streak, not to mention Taker's wins there over Shawn.

It's because of Shawn's ability to have classic matches every year against so many different opponents.

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It's kind of weird that one of Shawn's 50 nicknames is Mr. Wrestlemania considering 'Taker's streak, not to mention Taker's wins there over Shawn.

It's because of Shawn's ability to have classic matches every year against so many different opponents.


No, it's because Shawn is out of control and had to have 50 nicknames.


No. It's also proof wins and losses aren't that important, even on the big stage. Depending on the situation. I'm opening our match.

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No, it's because Shawn is the greatest there has ever been and he always shined brightest at Mania.

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If you don't recognize the greatness of HBK then you are no wrestling fan.

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It's on the DVR to watch.

Lipid would love it.

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If you don't recognize the greatness of HBK then you are no wrestling fan.


I never said I didn't recognize his greatness. I just said that I don't like him.


Do you not like him? Or his character? Or his work in the ring? I need a back story here. If you think he is a phony jerk, I at least kind of get that. HBK is one of my all-time faves though I swing back and forth on him as an actual person.


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If you don't recognize the greatness of HBK then you are no wrestling fan.


I never said I didn't recognize his greatness. I just said that I don't like him.


Do you not like him? Or his character? Or his work in the ring? I need a back story here. If you think he is a phony jerk, I at least kind of get that. HBK is one of my all-time faves though I swing back and forth on him as an actual person.


I don't like guys who politic like he does/did. Always having to be i the spotlight and such. One thing that not really sticks to him like it does to his buddies is he does not put over guys. He is a huge phony in real life. The whole lost his smile shit and being a family man. The born again Christian thing comes across as not being honest either. If he was real in his faith as he says he would not be on national TV doing dick and fart jokes. He is an above average performer but not in the top 5 top 10 maybe. Serious question. Who has more nicknames: Trips or Shawn?

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He is an above average performer but not in the top 5 top 10 maybe.


Terrible thought.

You may not like HBK and how he did things in his career, but to be so blinded by your hate that you cannot see that he is clearly a top 5 guy of all time is just pathetic.

Sure he did some bad things, but every guy who made it big in this business has a long line of issues as well. And I find it sad that you would call his faith fake as well. I have heard him speak and write about his faith many times and it always comes across as real. And the testimony of many who were around him after his conversion speak about it being real as well.

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He is an above average performer but not in the top 5 top 10 maybe.


Terrible thought.

You may not like HBK and how he did things in his career, but to be so blinded by your hate that you cannot see that he is clearly a top 5 guy of all time is just pathetic.

Sure he did some bad things, but every guy who made it big in this business has a long line of issues as well. And I find it sad that you would call his faith fake as well. I have heard him speak and write about his faith many times and it always comes across as real. And the testimony of many who were around him after his conversion speak about it being real as well.


That is your opinion as to his ranking as is mine. To call it pathetic is total bullshit and a very obnoxious post. I do not know how long you been watching or how close. I started watching when I was 12 went to my first event same year at the old International Amphitheater. So what I consider criteria for top performer probably will be different from yours and that is okay.

I will give you this to think of in regards to his faith.
He does some very risque ad derogatory stuff when he is on WWE TV. If you want I will list some and it goes far beyond dick and fart jokes.
Lark Vorhees(Lisa Turtle from Saved by the Bell) quit her job over a far less risque performance on a Soap Opera because of the conflict with her faith.
You can also compare him to Sting,he lost a lot of friends when he became born again because he came clean to everybody,that included guys wives and told a lot of stuff
that went down on the road. Look at the story lines he is involved with. Not even close to the filth that Shawn does.

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So your resume of watching on tv and in person means what in this discussion? I have been watching wrestling since the early 1980s. So yeah whatever.

Sure it is my opinion, but the majority of wrestling observers would fall more in agreement with my assessment of him being a top 5 guy all time compared to you saying he was "above average". That is what is pathetic. Maybe top 10? Give me a fucking break man. That is just straight up BS.

His resume speaks for itself. He has had more great and memorable matches than probably just about anyone else in the business.

And in regards to his faith you are clueless as well. First of all, the real risque stuff was before he became a Christian. Specifically in his last run with the E, people talked of what a different guy he was that in his early days. He has admitted his mistakes and tried to make as many of them right as he can. Hardly anyone that wants to bash him ever mentions that about him.

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So you call the tuff he did about Hornswaggle not a bad thing to do in terms of a Christian or some of the jokes he has done? Cool.

He has had some great matches, so therefore he rates top 10 for me. You got to factor everything in to a ranking. He has avoided too many matches for my liking. His refusal to drop the belt is total bullshit. You guys on here rip Bret for his outlook on his status as a hero in Canada but the truth was he was a big deal up there. He was okay with dropping it just not that night,he was going to do the ob ust on his terms. Shawn,refused not once but several times.

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Thanks for showing again you cannot be objective about someone you don't like and their career. You do the same shit with HHH.

So he did some bad things. Again, name me a guy in the business, specifically that rose to the level of HBK that did not do some bad stuff?

I have never cared for Hulk Hogan. I did not like him as a kid and I did not like him as an adult. But I can put that all aside and see that he is clearly one of the greatest of all time.

Why is that so hard?

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I fall more in line with chas' thinking of Michaels.

He's a definite top 10, but I don't think he's top 5.

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I don't usually get involved with "greatest of all time" conversations because it's your opinion. Chas is correct. It also leads to people taking liberties with terms like icon, legend, etc. But RFDC is making too much sense in the rolling thread for me to keep quiet. Let's say your Mt. Vincemore is Flair, Hogan, Austin, and Michaels. (Just for an example) Each of those guys used leverage, refused to do jobs, quit companies, etc. It's the nature of being on top. That being said, Michaels was horrible by his own admission. Possibly the worst because of the drugs. He was also carrying the company against one of the hottest angles in the history of wrestling. To say he's maybe in the Top 10, while an opinion, is a little off.

Also, I tend to listen to other workers when developing my thoughts. C.M. Punk gushing over Rey Mysterio made me cut my LCW references by at least 30%. While not respected to this day by many behind the curtain, I haven't heard a single person say he wasn't an amazing worker and great draw.

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I am not saying he is not a great worked and a draw,just not top5 in my all time.
Hell,I rank HHH higher than Shawn. You know why. He used to do the ob and he climbed way up on my list because he managed to do something most fans over the age of 35 thought would never happen with Vince alive...he made peace with Bruno and is getting him to appear. That is a huge plus in my book. Hell I am backing off my hate because in the last year or two if what is being leaked about his initiatives is true he is trying to take the company in the right direction.

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I fall more in line with chas' thinking of Michaels.

He's a definite top 10, but I don't think he's top 5.


Surely you do not just see him as an "above average" performer. That was the comment that really irked me.

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Hell,I rank HHH higher than Shawn.


I am as big of a HHH fan as there is around. he is one of my all time favorites. But there is no way in the world he is higher than HBK.

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I fall more in line with chas' thinking of Michaels.

He's a definite top 10, but I don't think he's top 5.


Surely you do not just see him as an "above average" performer. That was the comment that really irked me.


No. In my world, the top ten are all great.

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I think these Top 5, Top 10 type lists really need to be more specific. The greater majority here really seem to value workrate, whereas it's not really even in my Top 3 of things I like about wrestling.

Shawn absolutely has to be Top 5 as a worker.

Now if you're going Top 5 Promo Guy, I have him nowhere near that list.

Just a thought.


When I say top 5 I am including all aspects of the business. Personally I think you can make a strong case that he is the greatest of all time.

But if we are talking top 5 workers then I am putting HBK at No.1

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See, I can't really do an overall list because of what I just said up there. I would severely devalue some things, like work rate for instance, because it just doesn't matter nearly as much to me as it does to others.


That's why it's "your list".

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I think Orton's on the gas again. Falling off the top of the card can do that.

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