I'm not sure exactly what town you live in but this is from Downer's Grove books on Noise Regulations section 15.5.1

(e) No person shall operate, permit to be operated, or cause to be operated, any radio,
stereo or sound amplification device in a manner which causes unreasonable noise or vibration and is
detectable without the aid of any device or instrument at or beyond the lot line of the lot where such
activity takes place.

So essentially, your origninal question was what is their rights and what is yours is kinda what I was getting at... if they can hear it, then you're technically infringing on their rights and they'd be within theirs calling enforcement or asking you to turn it down.

the other question, should they just "handle it" is another answer entirely.

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uh this is CSFMB. i'm not asking any question (except for the actual noise rule which i did ask because i want to know)
i'm douchebagging them
its allowed , i think. until biggie decides to prune it
its an outlet. i'm not saying they aren't within their rights. maybe they have hyper sensitive hearing.
they still are douchebags
that's what i'm saying
it was proven the other night by the guy coming over and being a raging dick about it. ok, my music is loud, i'll turn it down. sorry. no issue. no need to be a ass about it.
they've complained about the neighbor kids on the other side playing too close to their car
are they right about it? maybe, i'm sure they don't want their car to be damaged
are they douchebags? yes, clearly

How could anybody not like him?

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i totally understand what bagels is saying. this place is like any other and in the court of public opinion, anyone not in your situation is going to look at it from a different perspective.

i think those neighbors are just being assholes, but i don't even understand why they are being that way. what's in it for them to be so into your business?

they seem like they're hypersensitive and remind me of todd and margo. so, this christmas, buy a big tree and make sure you smash it into their house a few times.

But WZ, why do you say the neighbor is getting into Bagel's business? I'm sure he sees it exactly the opposite. He's not interested in hearing others people's music in his home, and he thinks neighbor kids shouldn't turn his driveway into their playground. How is he infringing on other people's business?

Often, people buy homes in the suburbs to avoid exactly these things. As long as he's paying a mortgage and paying property taxes, I think he has the right to expect his home ownership to be respected. Why is that such an issue?

what?

because it sounds like they want to make more of an example of bagels than actually have "respected" space and quiet.

For answers on any legal stuff, if only there was somebody who posted here who was an attorney.....

When he came over at 130 am, you should have said the doorbell woke you up and please dont come over so late.

Exactly. Chus insists on being a moron and judging the sound of the music to be at a reasonable level, because Bagels described it as so. But the neighbor obviously didn't walk over to have a confrontational exchange for no reason. He was disturbed by the music. Good suggestions about using headphones by several people. The neighbor is giving you the opportunity to avoid bigger problems by walking over and advising you that your music is disturbing their ability to sleep, rather than just calling in a complaint to the Police. By continuing to play music at levels that disturb your neighbors, they are likely to lose patience with you and make such a call. The first thing one does in responding to such a call generally, is to go to the home and determine whether there has been a violation of noise statutes. You would probably get a warning the first time in such a scenario(That's what I would do, unless the subject turned out to have a want/warrant out on them, or was uncooperative and refused to correct the problem by reducing the volume) but if similar violations were to occur, there is a great chance that a warning would not continue to be where things ended. No Police officer wants his time wasted on this kind of crap, so if someone continues to create problems, the stakes rise and charges are filed to send a clear message that the crap has to stop.

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To be clear....I brought up things like having your probation revoked, losing a job (if you have one) because often when someone is revoked, it can have far-reaching effects they never considered. They may lose their job (because it's hard to do the job if you are ordered back to jail), have their spouse leave them, spend a lot of money on fines/court costs/lawyers fees. I just think it's wise to weigh all the possible issues that might come into play before making a poor decision that leaves one with a lot of problems and regret. My advice was all about avoiding problems, not about trying to make you feel lousy about not having a job, if that happens to be the case. I was assuming you might well have one and was suggesting you consider it in your decision making.

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But why do you think that? I'm sure I haven't seen all the posts in the thread, but from what we know, the guy came over twice to ask the music level to be lowered, once at 1:30am and the other time after hearing it for 2 hours. Some people (and I'm one of them) don't like loud music. Maybe he reads, or works late hours remotely, or is trying to sleep or relax. I don't know why it's automatically him being a prick, when he probably feels his own "rights" are being violated. Friday night isn't party night for everyone, and this isn't a frat house we're talking about.

the attitude bagels said these guys have seems rather dickish and i've met bagels enough to know that he's not intrusive or the type of person to cause problems.

what i don't get is why anyone is taking the side of the neighbors. this is a message board where personal bias is always king. don't take the neighbors, side, you suck ups, they're not moderators here. fuck em!! it's the only place you can say shit like that and have no consequences about it. so the hell with them!

...unless you're boilermaker rick, of course.

i love how you keep mentioning the fact that i'm on probation and that you obviously feel that destroys my credibility

please don't call me a friend

Oh I have no doubt bagels is not trying to be intrusive. I see your point about being supportive, but bagels said he was "genuinely interested" in hearing opinions, and I offered (at the time) the minority opinion - that I kinda feel the same way that Darkside later explained better than I, that one's rights end at the doorstep of the next person.

And hey, mister, if I ever feel like it, I can out-Boilermaker-Rick Boilermaker Rick. I dare say.


(edit - looking back at my first post, that was quite a bit more condescending than I meant it to be... oops)

Let's do a little recap here, Steve.

My suggestion was pretty clear. Ignore the complaining neighbor, because if it isn't the music, it will be something else (like kids playing near his car, he already came over once with an attitude, etc.). If the cops do show up, be polite, and they will leave as fast as they came. Pretty simple and sensible.

Your advice consisted of the following:
-You took a completely uncalled for shot at him, "if you even have a job"
-The cops will show up and immediately take the neighbor's side, because of Bagel's probation. You completely ignored the possibility that the neighbor has a criminal record as well.
-The cops will arrest Bagels causing the revocation of his probation, simply over a he said/she said situation
-Bagels should just kowtow the neighbor's every wish, which is ridiculous. I'm sure you would do the same thing.
-You completely changed your tune after I pointed out foolish your original thoughts (dare I care them thoughts) were.

Once again, moron = you

If you weren't such a raging rectum, I might actually feel bad about your minimal mental capacity.

At least this thread allowed to play out your cop power trip fantasy, if only for a few hours. How did you do at the bowling alley this morning? Did you show those ladies who's boss?

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Well, I've witnessed a few neighbor wars over the years. One guy decided to get defiant after a number of police visits. At one point, three squad cars came out and gave him a stern warning. After they left, he made his noise louder, daring someone to make yet another call to the police. Apparently someone did, because the cops came by again, and arrested him.

So, telling the neighbor to f-off and planning to laugh with the cops that the guy's an asshole, might not necessarily work.

The bottom line is some people are just dicks. The people in the condo next to mine had a young daughter- maybe four or five years old- who cried so much my girlfriend and I thought something was wrong with her. I've been around enough kids to know that a fucking five year old shouldn't be crying that much. Of course we could hear it in our apartment, but we never said shit. I'm not a beefer. And what were they supposed to do- shove a rag in her mouth? There's no point in complaining except to be an asshole. But one day I was playing something that had fairly heavy bass at about 9:00 p.m. on a Friday and this guy comes over to ask me to turn it down. The balls on this fuckin' guy.

Anyway, my advice for Bagels is to wait until the probation is up and tell the guy to go fuck himself. That is, if the music is really only as loud as Bagels claims and we have no reason to believe it's not.

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JORR, the guy probably had no idea you could hear the crying. And, he probably hates the crying more than you do, and was afraid the music would wake her up and make her cry.

Why can't we all just try to get along?

And while I'm sure bagels doesn't feel like the music is very loud, the only evidence we have is that the neighbor can clearly hear it. So, it must be a bit louder than we'd like to think.

this point has come up a lot
the first time it happened, it was 1:30am on a saturday. i was listening to some rap, but nothing that, in hindsight, i feel was something with heavy bass. and i do have some records that definitely do. and he specifically mentioned that - that the bass was too much. but ok

friday night, what i was listening to was borderline ambient music...Todd Rundgren is not exactly Gene Simmons or Lemmy. What i was listening to was not heavy bass, not anything even approaching extreme. it was not at a ridiculous volume even at that

those of you who feel i'm a hardened criminal and that i'm lying, fine. but my floors were not shaking, windows were not rattling, it was not a ridiculous volume.

We're going to need you to crank the music again, and provide us a screen shot of a decibel reading, so we can get to the bottom of this.

That wasn't at all what I said.

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Not you, just an amalgamation of the "other side" here.

Okay. You posted that right after me, so I thought you were talking about me.

I don't recall anybody telling the guy to fuck off, at least not until his probation is up, in case that leads to a greater altercation.

His neighbor sounds like one of mine. If you are black or Mexican, she will call the cops on you for any little thing. Some people just aren't happy, and have to be a pain in the ass to everybody.

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If there's a race angle here, I didn't know about it (I don't know Bagels; apparently many of you do). Obviously I don't know the neighbor either, except that he doesn't like loud music and kids playing in his driveway. I'm only arguing based on the context of this thread.

Maybe Bagels neighbors have him confused for J Goff?

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Let's do a little recap here, Steve.

My suggestion was pretty clear. Ignore the complaining neighbor, because if it isn't the music, it will be something else (like kids playing near his car, he already came over once with an attitude, etc.). If the cops do show up, be polite, and they will leave as fast as they came. Pretty simple and sensible.

Your advice consisted of the following:
1)You took a completely uncalled for shot at him, "if you even have a job"
2)The cops will show up and immediately take the neighbor's side, because of Bagel's probation. You completely ignored the possibility that the neighbor has a criminal record as well.
3)The cops will arrest Bagels causing the revocation of his probation, simply over a he said/she said situation
4)Bagels should just kowtow the neighbor's every wish, which is ridiculous.
5)You completely changed your tune after I pointed out foolish your original thoughts
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Yeah you were clear....clearly dumb. Ignoring the neighbors complaints until Bagels probationary period is up is about as stupid as advice gets. Ignoring the complaints is very likely to cause the problems to escalate which seems like the lasy thing bagels wants to happen.

1) I took no shot at Bagels. I suggested that if he has a job, he think about how an escalation of problems with his neighbor might affect his employment. I have no ide if he has a job or not. I never said "If you even have a job" . I said "if you have a job" because I have no insight into his employment history and whether he is currently working or not.
2)As a Police officer, I always took things like a drivers history of moving violations, when deciding whether or not to give someone a break that was guilty of a borderline (10-11 MPHver limit for example) moving violation. I always looked at someones criminal history similarly when dealing with someone in a criminal complaint. This is pretty common and one should expect it to be part of how an officer deals with subjects under complaint.
3) see above. You're damn skippy. Again, as I have previously stated, in an initial response to a noise violation (disturbing the peace) I would personally issue a verbal warning and instruct the resident to lower the volume on their stereo. But if more complaints were made and I had to respond again, further action would be taken.
4)My advice was that he avoid an escalation of problems with the neighbor, not that he step and fetch it.In his current circumstances, it seems like a prudent suggestion.
5) My advice has been very consistent and there has been no change.

If brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your nose and the advice you have given Bagels is the type that he would be wise to ignore.

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So you think your neighbor calls the Police because you are black and she doesn't like blacks? From everything you have posted in this thread, it's more likely because you are an asshole who shows no consideration for others.

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I wouldn't use the response of other neighbors as a barometer. Most people will refrain from confrontation even if they are a bit perturbed. I have been annoyed to varying degrees by numerous neighbors but have never done more than bitch about it to other neighbors. It just doesn't seem to be worth escalating the conflict, particularly if it's just a relatively minor infraction on an occasional basis.

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