Chus wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Obviously it was loud enough that they heard it. they didn't just guess that you had music on. It was clearly loud enough to hear it. They don't come over and tell you to turn it down when you're not playing music do they?
I've always thought that your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. 1030 on any night is too loud to be hearing your neighbors music, especially if they've got little micro dudes or if they're trying to get some sleep cause they've got to do shit the next day.
Basically, you had to have had this music pumpin.
Exactly. Chus insists on being a moron and judging the sound of the music to be at a reasonable level, because Bagels described it as so. But the neighbor obviously didn't walk over to have a confrontational exchange for no reason. He was disturbed by the music. Good suggestions about using headphones by several people. The neighbor is giving you the opportunity to avoid bigger problems by walking over and advising you that your music is disturbing their ability to sleep, rather than just calling in a complaint to the Police. By continuing to play music at levels that disturb your neighbors, they are likely to lose patience with you and make such a call. The first thing one does in responding to such a call generally, is to go to the home and determine whether there has been a violation of noise statutes. You would probably get a warning the first time in such a scenario(That's what I would do, unless the subject turned out to have a want/warrant out on them, or was uncooperative and refused to correct the problem by reducing the volume) but if similar violations were to occur, there is a great chance that a warning would not continue to be where things ended. No Police officer wants his time wasted on this kind of crap, so if someone continues to create problems, the stakes rise and charges are filed to send a clear message that the crap has to stop.
Let's do a little recap here, Steve.
My suggestion was pretty clear. Ignore the complaining neighbor, because if it isn't the music, it will be something else (like kids playing near his car, he already came over once with an attitude, etc.). If the cops do show up, be polite, and they will leave as fast as they came. Pretty simple and sensible.
Your advice consisted of the following:
1)You took a completely uncalled for shot at him, "if you even have a job"
2)The cops will show up and immediately take the neighbor's side, because of Bagel's probation. You completely ignored the possibility that the neighbor has a criminal record as well.
3)The cops will arrest Bagels causing the revocation of his probation, simply over a he said/she said situation
4)Bagels should just kowtow the neighbor's every wish, which is ridiculous.
5)You completely changed your tune after I pointed out foolish your original thoughts
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Yeah you were clear....clearly dumb. Ignoring the neighbors complaints until Bagels probationary period is up is about as stupid as advice gets. Ignoring the complaints is very likely to cause the problems to escalate which seems like the lasy thing bagels wants to happen.
1) I took no shot at Bagels. I suggested that if he has a job, he think about how an escalation of problems with his neighbor might affect his employment. I have no ide if he has a job or not. I never said "If you even have a job" . I said "if you have a job" because I have no insight into his employment history and whether he is currently working or not.
2)As a Police officer, I always took things like a drivers history of moving violations, when deciding whether or not to give someone a break that was guilty of a borderline (10-11 MPHver limit for example) moving violation. I always looked at someones criminal history similarly when dealing with someone in a criminal complaint. This is pretty common and one should expect it to be part of how an officer deals with subjects under complaint.
3) see above. You're damn skippy. Again, as I have previously stated, in an initial response to a noise violation (disturbing the peace) I would personally issue a verbal warning and instruct the resident to lower the volume on their stereo. But if more complaints were made and I had to respond again, further action would be taken.
4)My advice was that he avoid an escalation of problems with the neighbor, not that he step and fetch it.In his current circumstances, it seems like a prudent suggestion.
5) My advice has been very consistent and there has been no change.
If brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your nose and the advice you have given Bagels is the type that he would be wise to ignore.
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