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Interesting article I just found on Yahoo about him. Best of luck to the guy:

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Former phenom Prior is pitching to be noticed

By Steve Henson, Yahoo! Sports
Sep 1, 4:25 pm EDT

Mark Prior(notes) is facing a rag-tag team called the Tijuana Cimarrones for the second time in two days. The back-to-back appearances mark a milestone in his comeback from multiple maladies and surgeries, from replacing a debilitating pocketful of if-onlys with hope.

Mark Prior has not allowed an earned run for the independent Orange County Flyers. His stuff isn’t as sharp as the previous day, when he struck out the side on 10 pitches, all strikes. One batter walks and another belts a drive that Prior’s right fielder flags down over his shoulder at the warning track. Despite the catch, the batter touches them all as if he’d hit a home run, a goofy independent league moment that Prior does his best to ignore. He strikes out the last batter, giving him 20 in 10 innings since joining the Orange County Flyers of the Golden Baseball League nearly a month ago.

The scene is jarring to anyone who remembers Prior as the top prospect in baseball less than a decade ago, the second pick in the 2001 draft behind Joe Mauer(notes), signing for $10.5 million, at the time by far the largest contract for an American-born amateur. Imagine Stephen Strasburg(notes) celebrating his 30th birthday by pitching in front of 200 people, his most fervent wish that a major league team would offer a simple spring training invitation when the calendar turns.

Prior is Strasburg 1.0. He lived through the overblown hype, the unreal expectations, the fleeting dominance and the thud of an abrupt fall when his body broke down. Of course, Strasburg could easily return from Tommy John surgery as good as new. Prior wouldn’t wish the rest of his story on anybody, let alone a pitcher with as much promise as Strasburg.

He’s had two shoulder surgeries since he last pitched in the big leagues in 2006. Before that, he injured the shoulder during a baserunning collision and a line drive fractured his elbow. And far too often, he was throwing 120 pitches or more, the concept of protecting a young arm by monitoring pitch counts not yet a science accepted throughout baseball.

If only, if only, if only. His message to Strasburg is something the Washington Nationals rookie already practices: shut out distractions, quiet the noise, focus on rehab.

“I think there are some parallels from the standpoint of him being the first pick overall and coming out and being ready,” Prior said. “I know that with myself, and this is speaking from my experience, a lot of comments were made by people who had no clue what was going on, who didn’t know the real details. So for me, I think he needs to realize he’s under this microscope that nobody else has been under. I don’t believe I was ever under as intense a microscope as he is. We’re 10 years later, different media, the way we follow things in general is much more intense.

“He made 11 starts and the machine never died down. He’s in for a long road, although obviously the Tommy John success rate is good. It doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. From my experience, what he’s going to find out is that he needs to realize that it’s about him and what he’s trying to do, and try to block out as much of the other stuff as he can.”

By the time Prior’s arm wouldn’t respond anymore after a failed tryout with the San Diego Padres in 2007, he’d made $12.8 million. He’d started a family. He seriously considered quitting.

Prior was baseball's most highly touted pitcher in the early 2000s before a series of injuries.

“At times it’s been rough,” he said. “It’s been extremely challenging from a physical standpoint. And, I guess, from a mental standpoint, too.”

But he heard the same comment from his wife, his parents, his agent, his friends.

“Do you want to look back in five years and wish you gave it one more shot?” he said. “Ultimately that was the decision. I’m young, I’m fortunate that I’m secure enough to where I can ride out a year and see what I can come up with. I want to play.”

Prior hasn’t allowed an earned run with the Flyers. His fastball has touched 92 mph. The hope might be more than a glimmer. Certainly it’s enough for him to set aside the if-onlys for the time being.

“Right now I’m finding out who I really am,” he said. “Obviously I was a power pitcher. But I’ve been 91, 92, so I’m not too far off from where I was. Everybody thinks I was this upper to mid-90s. For the most part I lived at 92, 93. I’m not throwing 85. I’m the same guy and I’m attacking hitters the way I used to.”

The biggest difference is diminished expectations. Prior no longer aspires to be the best pitcher in baseball. Cy Young awards aren’t in the equation. He wants to be a big leaguer again, to pitch in middle relief, maybe be trusted with the eighth inning every other day. So he’ll finish out the Flyers’ season, which, pleasantly, is concluding with a near-two week stint in Maui.

“Teams want to see me in game action,” he said. “They want to see me pitch one day, take a day off and pitch another day. They want to see me pitch two days in a row. They want to see me throw two innings.”

If-only has been replaced by what-if. It’s a feeling he hasn’t felt in a long time, a feeling of hope.

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I just realized that the above post was #6666.

Mark Prior's comeback is screwed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I don't think they drug test in the independent leagues. It is also important to note that most players that comprise this league didn't get drafted or made it no further than low A ball. Put up those numbers in the Atlantic league and you will get a shot with another mlb team. I guarantee that an Atlantic league team would give him a shot, but he seems content beating up on arizona and gulf coast league rejects.

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 Post subject: Re: Mark Prior
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It is also important to note that most players that comprise this league didn't get drafted or made it no further than low A ball.


Thats not really true. the majority of guys who play in independent leagues were drafted. Most are guys looking for another shot after sustaining an injury and being released by the team that drafted them or washing out with the teams that drafted them for other reasons (drugs/alcohol...bad caddying). Some, are guys like Ricky Henderson, who played in an Independent league after being waived. He was one of the very few to make it to the majors after playing in the Independent league. But a guy like Prior, with all the promise he once showed, I bet he gets an invitation to camp from some team. He's not gonna be sifting through offers for big money long term contracts anytime soon. But I bet he's in camp.

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It is also important to note that most players that comprise this league didn't get drafted or made it no further than low A ball.


Thats not really true. the majority of guys who play in independent leagues were drafted. Most are guys looking for another shot after sustaining an injury and being released by the team that drafted them or washing out with the teams that drafted them for other reasons (drugs/alcohol...bad caddying). Some, are guys like Ricky Henderson, who played in an Independent league after being waived. He was one of the very few to make it to the majors after playing in the Independent league. But a guy like Prior, with all the promise he once showed, I bet he gets an invitation to camp from some team. He's not gonna be sifting through offers for big money long term contracts anytime soon. But I bet he's in camp.


Go look through all the rosters of independent league teams and get back to me. I said "not drafted or made it no further than low a". There are a few guys who played in the majors, a handful that played AA or AAA and a majority that played rookie ball or didn't get drafted at all. He will get a tryout based on this, then maybe a minor league invite. He isn't going to big league camp.

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The league is equivalent to a Mid A or so. Regardless, I'm pulling for him 100%.

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Well this didn't take long. Texas just signed him to a minor league deal.

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It is also important to note that most players that comprise this league didn't get drafted or made it no further than low A ball.


Thats not really true. the majority of guys who play in independent leagues were drafted. Most are guys looking for another shot after sustaining an injury and being released by the team that drafted them or washing out with the teams that drafted them for other reasons (drugs/alcohol...bad caddying). Some, are guys like Ricky Henderson, who played in an Independent league after being waived. He was one of the very few to make it to the majors after playing in the Independent league. But a guy like Prior, with all the promise he once showed, I bet he gets an invitation to camp from some team. He's not gonna be sifting through offers for big money long term contracts anytime soon. But I bet he's in camp.


He will get a tryout based on this, then maybe a minor league invite. He isn't going to big league camp.



You were saying???? :oops:

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You were saying???? :oops:


The Texas Rangers, specifically Nolan Ryan and his camp, have a perpetual hard on for this pitching coach guru he works with in San Diego which most likely results in this signing. I think he has to be resigned this off season though under minor league contract rules. His team made the playoffs so he should get a few more innings. While his 1 inning of work resulted in 0 runs and 2 strikeouts it also included 2 hits and a walk. If he re-ups with Texas then he will either be at their minor league fall camp or more likely one of the winter leagues. I might be wrong about the big league camp, but he still probably only goes as a non roster invitee so they can keep him in AAA to see if he is for real.

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he finished the year for AAA with a 0.00 ERA

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A guy like Prior, with all the promise he once showed... I bet he gets an invitation to camp from some team. He's not gonna be sifting through offers for big money long term contracts anytime soon. But I bet he's in camp.


He will get a tryout based on this, then maybe a minor league invite. He isn't going to big league camp.



Not only did he get signed to a minor league contract, he pitched at AAA and did very well before their season concluded. He will most certainly be in camp and may well get back to the major leagues next season.

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The league is equivalent to a Mid A or so. Regardless, I'm pulling for him 100%.


I hope his arm falls off and he dies

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Not only did he get signed to a minor league contract, he pitched at AAA and did very well before their season concluded.

He pitched 1 inning and gave up 2 hits and a walk.

You dont even look at the numbers once do you?


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Not only did he get signed to a minor league contract, he pitched at AAA and did very well before their season concluded.

He pitched 1 inning and gave up 2 hits and a walk.

You dont even look at the numbers once do you?


He had one additional playoff appearance that isn't in the stats, 1 inning 1 hit, 1 walk think it was. Not exactly earth shattering dominance.

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Not only did he get signed to a minor league contract, he pitched at AAA and did very well before their season concluded.


He had one additional playoff appearance that isn't in the stats, 1 inning 1 hit, 1 walk think it was. Not exactly earth shattering dominance.


No, and I hope he never returns to the form he showed in 2003, because that would be painful to watch...him dominating again for another team. The point is....he will definitely be in camp. I don't know that he will or will not make it back to the majors, or if he does, if he can pitch more than a month before getting hurt again. I just know that anyone that was as good as he was and can still throw 92-93, is gonna get another chance at 30 years of age. If he were 35 or older or was throwing under 90 MPH, maybe not. But the cicumstances suggest its worth giving him another chance.

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Hopefully he has 6 mill left. He should move into a nice area, give his family a nice home, and be a consultant for a pitching camp.

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No, and I hope he never returns to the form he showed in 2003, because that would be painful to watch...him dominating again for another team. The point is....he will definitely be in camp. I don't know that he will or will not make it back to the majors, or if he does, if he can pitch more than a month before getting hurt again. I just know that anyone that was as good as he was and can still throw 92-93, is gonna get another chance at 30 years of age. If he were 35 or older or was throwing under 90 MPH, maybe not. But the cicumstances suggest its worth giving him another chance.


That's one hell of a selfish comment. :lol:

I don't want him to be successful at something he has worked at his whole life, because it would be too painful for me to watch him do well now that he isn't with the Cubs. You gotta give us something better than that. Say not for the Cardinals. Or he was a dick to you and Harry at the Just Ducky appearance.


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Doesn't hurt for someone to give him a non-roster invite next spring.


Reds did this spring. Faced the heart of the A's order today- no hits.


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Is there any chance he makes the roster?

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Can't recall if it was an article I read or a 30/30 type thing recently about him. He was portrayed as very down to earth and human. Very humble compared to the kid I recall. Hope he makes it now but I sure hated his ass back then.

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Is there any chance he makes the roster?

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Doesn't hurt for someone to give him a non-roster invite next spring.


Reds did this spring. Faced the heart of the A's order today- no hits.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good luck with that. If anyone is qualify to manage Prior's inning's it's Dusty Baker

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Prior just reminds me of 2003 and 2004 and that makes me sad

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He's not nearly the jagoff people made him out to be and he CLEARLY does want to be out there pitching, which is the opposite of what most people said.


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He's not nearly the jagoff people made him out to be and he CLEARLY does want to be out there pitching, which is the opposite of what most people said.


He was a show horse almost a decade ago. He wouldn't pitch unless he was feeling absolutely 100%.

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He's not nearly the jagoff people made him out to be and he CLEARLY does want to be out there pitching, which is the opposite of what most people said.


He was a show horse almost a decade ago. He wouldn't pitch unless he was feeling absolutely 100%.

Not true. False narrative brought forth through guessing by beat reporters and announcers.

He had legit injuries. If you actually followed him, he pitched several games where he was hurt.


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I'll always remember attending the entire home-opener series vs the Expos in 2003. Game two featured a great pitching matchup: Javier Vazquez vs Mark Prior. Vazquez was only touched for an early 2R HR by Damian Miller, striking out 14 in his 7 innings of work; Prior went the distance giving up 4 hits 0 walks and striking out 12 of his own (112 pitches, of course). Toss in a strikeout by Expos reliever Luis Ayala and in total there were 27 strikeouts that day, which has to be the most I've seen in one game that I've attended.

Hell, I was at Prior's debut vs the Pirates in 2002. That was Cubs pride night; it was a night game and everyone was extra drunken and talking shit and looking to antagonize anyone whose wardrobe indicated that they weren't a part of the Cubs tribe. I was rocking my then-new Vladimir Guerrero BP jersey and piss-drunk some SOSA-jersey-clad ~30something saw me walking up the stairs from the concourse and choke-holded me up against the wall: "LISTEN burrito, THIS IS A CUBS GAME... YOU WEAR A CUBS JERSEY, PREFERABLY SOSA, OR AN URLACHER JERSEY OR YOU GO THE FUCK HOME, GOT THAT?!?!" Cubs security didn't fuck around after 9/11 so they were on him within 30 seconds of the chokehold and kicked him out of the park. I'd imagine it'd be the kind of atmosphere you'd encounter if the Cubs ever got to a world series.

Good ol Mark Prior.... I remember in 2004 my grandfather's Catholic News newspaper thingy had an interview with him extolling his faith and what it means to him when he goes out there and lights it up. I always noted that the difference between Mark Prior and Carlos Zambrano was that Prior talks ABOUT god to the press whereas Zambrano talks TO god between pitches ("what the fuck you know that was strike this umpire is piece of shit I'll show them you better make sure he calls next pitch strike")

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