You can be a "nice guy" and still be confident. That's what it comes down to essentially.

Spark, I think what you mean is "spineless yes-man". Those guys don't get laid.

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The very thought of a woman playing in the NBA seems to threaten a lot of guys. What's wrong with a woman doing something that was previously looked at as a mans activity? Does it make the other men less manly? Does it make us less manly for not being as good as she is?

I took intertior design training with Les Manly, btw.

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yeah. but its a spectrum and you cant be anywhere on it if you want to end up getting pussy

In my experience anyway

That's fine. My record speaks for itself. I've never met a mother that didn't like me. I've never met a father that didn't like me (1 jokingly threaten me). I've had clients inquire about my relationship status and try to hook me up with their daughters or friends. I even had a little old white lady from Mississippi that talked to me at the Bucks game this weekend for her granddaughter. I'm still "friendly" with every woman I've slept with and could probably sleep with most of them again if I tried. Women consider me a nice guy and it's never stopped me from getting laid. In fact I've had to nicely reject some advances. Being a nice guy and allowing someone to remove your balls isn't the same thing. You have to draw lines somewhere.

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And to top it off....you are amazingly Modest!

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Progress really makes some people shit their pants. I wonder what the world would be like if everyone listened when someone said "You can't do _______ because you're a ______" but I'm glad I'll never find out.

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I really am.

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There isn't a board member here that is fit to hold Brittney Griner's jock...

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IMO being laid back and confident works more than being an asshole and overconfident.

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I would enjoy it.

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I'd like to see Griner try and play in the NBA. I just know she'd be embarrassed. It's the same reason the Williams sisters have turned down playing against men. They've practiced against them. They know what would happen.

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agreed.

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I wouldn't be upset if her dick was bigger than mine.

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It's the real world I live in. I don't think of the fact that a woman can have a baby and a man can't as "sad" or "happy". It's just the way it is.

Wishing for a woman to play a physical sport against the best men in the world is like wishing a man could nurse a baby. Why? What's the point? If a woman ever is capable of doing what you seem to desperately want to see, she'll play. Maybe you're right and it will be Griner. I'd bet a lot against it.

One of the reasons I enjoy this board is the different personalities. On a lot of levels you strike me as a very Promisekeepery type guy, but you have a progressive side, and you're also the guy who posted his W-2s. A very interesting character all around.

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Basketball isn't that physical of a sport. We're talking about a sport where guys like Spud Webb and Steve Kerr can have long careers. Are we arguing that she couldn't physically hold her own against them? I'm bigger than both of them and I doubt I would be able to physically stop her.

I try to keep an open mind. It's very possible I will be wrong about her and other women playing in the NBA but I would love to see someone give them the opportunity. We've all seen many of the positive things that can happen when someone is given the opportunity to do a job that many people believed they couldn't do for various reasons. Most women probably couldn't compete with men in the NBA but that doesn't mean there can't be exceptions.

I take it as a compliment that the "Most Interesting Man" considers me an interesting character. I believe over the past 8 years I've been fairly consistent on a lot of issues.

IMO men that need to go out of their way to prove that they are manly really just proves to me that they have doubt about their masculinity. The same is true about men who feel threaten the ascension of women in all fields. A woman doing well at something that men have done for years will never make me feel less of a man. I'm confident in who I am.

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I agree with JORR's point about a shooter.

That will be the way in for a female if it happens.

What?

She wouldn't be playing the same position as Webb or Kerr either.

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The point is that all of the men in the NBA are not physically superior to women basketball players. Reggie Miller has talked about how his sister destroyed him in 1 on 1's throughout high school. No one would argue he was a physically intimidating guy.

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If you can dunk you can likely physically stop her. Go watch highlights of her dunking. There are high school kids in Chicago on pretty much every team that can jump higher.

I said it before, but it bears repeating. If she even had a small chance at the NBA she'd have suited up for the men's basketball team. The WNBA pays pretty poorly.

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I think she could physically hold her own against some guys for some time. But not over the course of a season. It wouldn't surprise me if she went out and scored 25 and grabbed a bunch of rebounds. But when push came to shove and somebody stuck a guy like Jimmy Butler on her that would be the end of that.

You see these European guys come into the league. It isn't that they're lesser players. But they don't do the same physical training American players do until they get over here and have to. But they're men and trainers get them muscled up. Griner would be pushed around. Maybe not by Spud Webb, but by somebody else.





It was meant to be a compliment. I don't think you're inconsistent. But you have a mixture of viewpoints that is unusual. I think I would say the same about myself.



I don't want you to misunderstand me. I don't consider walking around like a raging hard-on to be "manly". I've said it before, I consider myself a feminist. I think women are equal to men. But equal doesn't mean "the same". If a woman can play in the NBA, I would never want to stop her. I've just never seen one I thought could and I doubt I ever will.

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In high school...

There is a reason she didn't play in the NBA.

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I agree with that. And if she were a shooter who played on the outside I would be in agreement with you. But no way she could hold up physically in the paint against NBA centers and PF's for an entire season.

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I think this does the opposite of make your point. Cheryl was probably a more skilled player than her brother. I'm sure should could have gone out and scored in an NBA game. But that doesn't mean she could play on an NBA team. Reggie was considered soft and a whining baby, but he's still a strong man who can bang around with the best athletes in the world for 100 games a season. I don't think any woman can do that. At least not one we've seen.

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A 5'10 Nate Robinson is not losing to her. She wouldn't not be able to push him around either.

Notice Reggie said High School. You think Cheryl Miller is pushing around Reggie when he was on the Pacers.

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It may not be the reason you believe though.

Reggie was one of the best high school players in the country. He probably could have played in the league. Beating him was no small feat.

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Why does she have to? All she needs to be is smart about picking her spots. There are guys in the league who couldn't push her around either.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7LuNSO014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oURSKF_UHeI

No one thinks for a second that the second player could play in the NBA. He clearly is much more athletic and stronger though.

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