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So heading into his last year of his contract, I guess the Bears are content to let Jay bend em over the barrel? No QB draft pick.....no real backup.....

I guess they are keeping their fingers crossed that he has a mediocre/bad year so they can sign him cheaper. I really thought that Trestman, being the supposed QB guru, would have targeted one in the draft to bring in and let him learn the system. I also didn't think that dipshit and Trestman were BigFans of Cutler but their actions speak otherwise.


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Gotta hand it to Cutler, despite a history of concussions and various other injuries, he's managed to keep from having any backup QB on the Bears roster who's a threat to Young/Romo/Rodgers/Wilson/Kaepernick or even Luck him.

There had to be value in taking QB's further down in the rounds. I think Jay doesn't want the competition and the Bears go along with that.

Waddle and Silvy mentioned it on their show back when there was talk of bringing in Marc Bulger under the Martz regime--Bulger played for Martz in St Louis, I believe.


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I've said before that the coaching search process was utterly inexplicable if they don't plan on keeping Cutler. Of course, not immediately extending Cutler is inexplicable then, too. So all we really know is that Phil Emery is inexplicable.

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Huge extensions to Qb's are leaving teams hamstrung. They can franchise him and work on something after the super bowl. :wink:

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Despite no extension, I have to assume Emery is on board with Cutler judging by the number of veterans/win-now players he's added to the squad.

Marshall
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There might be a couple more. To me, this suggests Emery is a believer. I don't think you sign/acquire those guys unless you believe you're a contender.

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good point, vegan. Or maybe they are setting the team up for the next guy. I really fear a huge contract for Cutler. big mistake.


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But NFL contracts aren't like baseball contracts, the only money you're out is the up-front bonus, I think.


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Huge extensions to Qb's are leaving teams hamstrung. They can franchise him and work on something after the super bowl. :wink:


That would be nice. Maybe they can get a group discount from a travel agency if they all go to the game together.


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I've said before that the coaching search process was utterly inexplicable if they don't plan on keeping Cutler. Of course, not immediately extending Cutler is inexplicable then, too. So all we really know is that Phil Emery is inexplicable.


That is correct. Then again I see the logic in making him earn that extension, even if the unspoken plan is to extend him anyway.

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I've said before that the coaching search process was utterly inexplicable if they don't plan on keeping Cutler. Of course, not immediately extending Cutler is inexplicable then, too. So all we really know is that Phil Emery is inexplicable.


That is correct. Then again I see the logic in making him earn that extension, even if the unspoken plan is to extend him anyway.

But if you make him earn it, and he earns it, you're in big trouble, because someone is going to offer him silly money. The only chance of buying low is this offseason (unless he tanks this season, but that's bad, too).

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Irish Boy wrote:
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I've said before that the coaching search process was utterly inexplicable if they don't plan on keeping Cutler. Of course, not immediately extending Cutler is inexplicable then, too. So all we really know is that Phil Emery is inexplicable.


That is correct. Then again I see the logic in making him earn that extension, even if the unspoken plan is to extend him anyway.

But if you make him earn it, and he earns it, you're in big trouble, because someone is going to offer him silly money. The only chance of buying low is this offseason (unless he tanks this season, but that's bad, too).


It's a no-win situation, but I don't think Cutler would get stupid money next year unless he gets the Bears to the big show, and even then why would he want to go to another franchise to learn another playbook and leave behind Marshall?

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I am convinced Emery doesn't know what he is doing. Giving Cutler all the leverage is stupid. They should have drafted a QB. Even if Cutler finally has a good year I wouldn't give him a big contract. I would franchise him and make him do it again.

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I am convinced Emery doesn't know what he is doing. Giving Cutler all the leverage is stupid. They should have drafted a QB. Even if Cutler finally has a good year I wouldn't give him a big contract. I would franchise him and make him do it again.


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Handle Cutler exactly like they are, dude is average and not worth 15 plus mill a year. This was the worst qb draft in memory ..not a good year for taking one. There are three scenarios that could play out.

1 Cutler sucks, he's gone
2 Cutler is average n ya pay him 4 years @ 13 per
3 Cutler is outstanding, you tag him n make. Him repeat it.

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He isn't worth $13M. I wouldn't pay him a penny more than $8M

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Nas wrote:
I am convinced Emery doesn't know what he is doing. Giving Cutler all the leverage is stupid. They should have drafted a QB. Even if Cutler finally has a good year I wouldn't give him a big contract. I would franchise him and make him do it again.

you do realize the QBs in this draft were bad. As IB has pointed out continually if you want the Bears to go after a QB next year is the year

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The QB class in this draft was arguably the worst all-time. Drafting a QB from dogshit NCAA output just because you feel like you can run the team better/don't like Cutler/both is...well, you can probably figure out the suitable adjective.

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He isn't worth $13M. I wouldn't pay him a penny more than $8M




You are right, but the top qbs are getting 20 per. Maybe 5 years. -50 million. I think he's gone personally.

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I guess I wasn't clear in my 2014 draft thread...AJ Mc Carron, QB, Alabama

If Cutler hits the open market his attention whoring baby momma is going to push them to one of the coasts for her "career".

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You people think cutlers value is far greater on the open market than it really is. I looked in settings and see no options to lose auto correct.

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You people think cutlers value is far greater on the open market than it really is. I looked in settings and see no options to lose auto correct.


he'll get a nice contract for the same reasons he got drafted and then had the value of 2 1sts and 2 3rds. Bears would still get more than 1st for him today.

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You people think cutlers value is far greater on the open market than it really is. I looked in settings and see no options to lose auto correct.


he'll get a nice contract for the same reasons he got drafted and then had the value of 2 1sts and 2 3rds. Bears would still get more than 1st for him today.

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I disagree.


I agree with FavreFan here. Even if Cutler leads the Bears deep into the playoffs during the next two years, it's likely a 30-31 year old Cutler with unremarkable career statistics will never be worth as much as he was back when he was a 25 year old coming off a Pro Bowl year.

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I agree with FavreFan here. Even if Cutler leads the Bears deep into the playoffs during the next two years, it's likely a 30-31 year old Cutler with unremarkable career statistics will never be worth as much as he was back when he was a 25 year old coming off a Pro Bowl year.


Cutler's age and play dictate his next contract. As it stands, Jay is worth astronomically less than he was back when he signed his previous extension. I personally don't think Jay is at a stage of his career where he's in a position to do more than marginally bargain if/when the Bears offer him fair value.

And yeah, the Bears are probably going to draft a quarterback next year when there's a legitimate class of QB's to draft from. And probably the year after that. Just because the team didn't draft Geno Smith (shudder) doesn't mean the team is fucked, just because "I don't like Cutler." [/Stupidity Still Stemming From 2010/2011 NFC Title Game]

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Trades for QB's over 30 rarely ever work out for the team trading for them. Carson Palmer, Favre, and McNabb come to mind.

Some signings work out well, like Manning and Vick(sort of) but both of those were very unique circumstances.

I think it's just as likely that if Cutler leaves the Bears it's to either compete with a young QB or to be a backup. The tough thing is that he needs to find a team now that doesn't have an established QB but is in win now mode. Besides Minnesota I'm having a hard time coming up with a team that would fit. Still, those teams may opt to draft a QB in the first round next year anyways and then they won't be paying huge money for another QB.

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Not taking the time to count, but my guess is maybe 3-5 teams would have pursued him as the starter this off-season. Unless something drastic happens before next season, I bet that number would be similar again next year.


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There are about 3 other QB in contract year situations this year. I would bet all those teams, most specifically the Buccaneers, would be hot for Cutler if Cutler has a nice year and their QB fails.

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Texans
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Cardinals
Browns
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Tampa Bay

Stretches:
Raiders
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Plenty teams would probably grab him. Bears are likely stuck overpaying him.


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Texans
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Jaguars
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Tampa Bay

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Raiders
Rams

Plenty teams would probably grab him. Bears are likely stuck overpaying him.


Here's where fans have to ask themselves what they want:

Hypothetically let's say the Bears finish 10-6 and lose first round, Cutler plays as Cutler has, but more on the good side than bad. If you're the Bears do you say fuck it and dump him, pinning your hopes to (insert rookie) while overpaying for (insert shady journeyman backup) OR worse yet having (insert rookie)'s only competition being Blanchard and McCown, while simultaneously dealing with the potentially moody Marshall's fallout over Cutler being gone?

Unless the Bears go into 2014 with their pants down at the most important position in sports, isn't it better to use the money potentially wasted on some random free agent nobody to sign Cutler to 3-4 years and STILL draft a rookie who's clearly vying to be the heir apparent?

If the Packers can do it with Favre and Rodgers surely the Bears can do it with Cutler and whoever.

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Most of those teams blow, and will probably be drafting one of the many available quality qb's in the draft. They won't want to build around a QB who is past 30 when players with equal upside are available. The Texans could be interested but why not just keep Schaub? He's better.

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