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Don Tiny
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I forgot to ask .... where did these hushed whispers of a return for game 3 - or any return this year - come from?

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my best guess. Rose & Co figured team would suck royally, perhaps missing playoffs. or worst case, an easy first-round ouster. So his plan was to miss the whole year, come back stronger than ever and make a huge "I'm Baaack" kind of a splash in 2013/14.

But then, team is better than he thought, wins in 1st round, team mates seem like heroic martyrs going to battle. Makes him look very bad in comparison.

Rose & Co did not plan on things unfolding this way, now they are in a bind.


If that's the case, I don't think they would have ever left the door open for him to return.
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Don Tiny wrote:
I forgot to ask .... where did these hushed whispers of a return for game 3 - or any return this year - come from?

I saw it on SHARK's facebook
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
I forgot to ask .... where did these hushed whispers of a return for game 3 - or any return this year - come from?

I saw it on SHARK's facebook


Yeah. SHARK started it.

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my best guess. Rose & Co figured team would suck royally, perhaps missing playoffs. or worst case, an easy first-round ouster. So his plan was to miss the whole year, come back stronger than ever and make a huge "I'm Baaack" kind of a splash in 2013/14.

But then, team is better than he thought, wins in 1st round, team mates seem like heroic martyrs going to battle. Makes him look very bad in comparison.

Rose & Co did not plan on things unfolding this way, now they are in a bind.


how does that put them in a bind? he's ready, he plays

the only negative would be if he royally sucks, but even then i think people would give him plenty of slack...
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Alex Kennedy from Hoops World was the one who said it.
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Alex Kennedy from Hoops World was the one who said it.


i bet KC Johnson has the story but is just sitting on it
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If that's the case, I don't think they would have ever left the door open for him to return.


I never said the Bulls bought into this plan or were ever even made aware of it. Just my best guess at what is truly a bizarre situation.

I mean, I've been a hard core sports fan for 30+ years and can't think of anything like this....usually guys are champing at the bit to get back on the field/court.


In a bind --> the grand marketing plan is not going to work. if he plays now, he's going to be limited and look very unsuperstarish. not the way to make a spectacular comeback.

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The answer comes from the Reggie Rose quote where he talks about how the Bulls haven't put the pieces around Derrick to win. Derrick didn't see the need to come back to get outmatched by the Heat.

When it becomes clear that the supporting cast of the Bulls is not outmatched, Rose is in a bad situation.

"Let's see how good the Bulls are without Rose" has been an unexpected result.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
I forgot to ask .... where did these hushed whispers of a return for game 3 - or any return this year - come from?

I saw it on SHARK's facebook


Really? :? :lol:

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Whitlock's take: Thibs sucks and BUlls doctor should be fired.


Updated May 8, 2013 12:34 PM ET


So the kid who survived the South Side of Chicago, one of America’s harshest urban battlegrounds, is now a wimp. Yeah, the kid who learned the game getting bullied and beat up by three older, basketball-playing brothers has grown soft at the tender age of 24.

Derrick Rose is a p---y.

I ain’t buying it. No way. Chicago’s Englewood neighborhood swallows cowards for snacks, shortly before they complete puberty.

Rather than question Derrick Rose’s toughness maybe we should question the competence of the people running the Chicago Bulls, particularly team doctor Brian Cole, team trainer Fred Tedeschi, head coach Tom Thibodeau, executive vice president John Paxson and chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

Maybe, just maybe, we should analyze, scrutinize and demonize the old white guys in charge of the most injury-riddled franchise in the NBA playoffs rather than the young black kid who may be a victim of their collective incompetence.

Let’s see. Joakim Noah is hobbling around with plantar fasciitis. Kirk Hinrich is sitting with a bruised left calf. Luol Deng is out with an infection after a spinal tap to determine if he had viral meningitis went wrong. Taj Gibson is ill. Nate Robinson was throwing up on the sideline in the Brooklyn series. Rip Hamilton has been in and out of the lineup all season with an assortment of ailments and injuries.

Yep, let’s go with the easy narrative -- the Bulls are the gutsiest team of warriors since Seal Team 6. This is Zero Dark Windy City, and Noah symbolizes everything we love and respect about Chicago. Michael and Oprah notwithstanding, this blue-collar city isn’t really about superstars. It’s about the men and women who trudge to work every day through rain, sleet, snow and soaring summer humidity.

Or maybe the Bulls are exploited union workers tolling for a group of greedy idiots who don’t know how to properly manage talent. Maybe the Bulls are injury-riddled because Thibodeau pushes them too hard, makes his available players play too many minutes in pursuit of cementing his “legend” as the coach who gets the most out of the least.

completely incompetent. SB Nation’s Tom Ziller pointed out Wednesday morning that Cole let Omer Asik play last season with a broken leg and wanted Deng to play with a severe stress fracture that required four months of total rest. Ziller also reminded readers that Rose played all of last season with a wide variety of injuries that finally culminated with a torn ACL in the first round of the playoffs.

Coaches love to say that fatigue creates cowards. Fatigue also creates injuries and illness. And mishandled injuries and illness create distrust.

Derrick Rose doesn’t trust the Bulls. Should he?

Should Rose trust the Bulls the way Tim Duncan trusts the Spurs? Hell no.

Gregg Popovich and the Spurs have gone above and beyond trying to protect and pamper their superstar players. Popovich gives the finger to the NBA’s 82-game schedule and regularly sits his stars and carefully monitors their minutes.

Thibodeau is the anti-Popovich. He pushes his players to the brink and he’s celebrated for it. Jimmy Butler has played all 48 minutes in three straight games. He can rest during the offseason or when he seriously injures himself and can’t play.

The Bulls are a nice story. You can’t help but be inspired by their grit and determination. Their Game 1 playoff victory over Miami and Game 7 victory over Brooklyn are the kind of efforts that made Willis Reed and Michael Jordan famous. We love those stories. We’d love the Chicago story even more if Rose would take part in it.


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But we don’t need for Rose to be a villain and a coward to properly appreciate Noah’s heroism. The villains are more than likely the guys who always wear a suit. They tossed away their medical credibility with the way they handled previous injuries.

There isn’t one piece of supporting evidence that Derrick Rose is a wimp or someone interested in shirking his leadership responsibility. There’s plenty of evidence the Bulls don’t know how to manage the health of their players.

Let’s talk about that Wednesday night as the Bulls take on the Miami Heat.

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Maybe, just maybe, we should analyze, scrutinize and demonize the old white guys in charge of the most injury-riddled franchise in the NBA playoffs rather than the young black kid who may be a victim of their collective incompetence.




This guy goes to the Race well more than Mary Mitchell

The rest of the article is valid. I fail to see what color has to do with it.
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Whitlock has become a parody of a parody of a hack writer. To say he's a contrarian and/or sensationalistic for the sake of being as such is far too kind. At least Mariotti had a thought once in a great while, or so I'm told.

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All Rose had to do was say "I spoke to several doctors of my own chosing, and we've decided the best decision is to wait until next year."

That would be the end of story.

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I wonder if Jordan was the owner of the Bulls, how he would of handled this situation?

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I wonder if Jordan was the owner of the Bulls, how he would of handled this situation?


Rose would have been on the court.

Guaranteed.
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I wonder if Jordan was the owner of the Bulls, how he would of handled this situation?


Rose would have been on the court.

Guaranteed.

Rose would have been traded for Tyrus Thomas, Corey Maggette, and Theo Ratliff's expiring contract.

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They'd be a lottery team coached by Sam Mitchell.

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I wonder if Jordan was the owner of the Bulls, how he would of handled this situation?
He'd ask his GM who the guy in the suit on the bench was and why he's not playing.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I wonder if Jordan was the owner of the Bulls, how he would of handled this situation?
He'd ask his GM who the guy in the suit on the bench was and why he's not playing.

:lol:

I was just trying to word a "Would Jordan even know?" post.

Well done.
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yes, he has painted himself into a corner on this one....

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I seriously don't want to see Derrick come back at this point. He, or Reggie or whoever....thought the Bulls wouldn't get anywhere of significance without him this year, and I believe that's why he sat.

If that is the case, he's a deplorable teammate for not believing in his guys.

But at this point, I just as soon see the guys that brought you this far, be the ones that possibly take you further.

Seems a little too easy, a little too convenient at this point. Derrick wouldn't be a savior or anything to that effect at this point. He'd be an attention whore bandwagon jumper with no heart.

He disgusts me.


fuck that. 90. million. dollars. this is nothing more then a business. plain and simple. no play- give us back our money, asshole. dont want to? get the fuck on the court.

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