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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:49 am 
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Mattingly is one of the best of the last 50 years.


No. He wasn't better than Fred McGriff or Boog Powell. Guys nobody even mentions.


If you go by peak years, Donnie Baseball had a 3-4 year run you can put up against anybody. He had the misfortune of playing between Yankee dynasties, when Steinbrenner was in full-on crazyman mode.


Yeah, he had a couple giant years, but from a career standpoint he just doesn't measure up to a lot of guys who are hardly even remembered.

And I don't think we can discount the idea that perhaps the reason his teams were between Yankee dynasties rather than being a Yankee dynasty is due to the fact that they were built around him rather than Mantle or Jeter. No championships. He isn't even a true Yankee. Go Tino!

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:36 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Mattingly is one of the best of the last 50 years.


No. He wasn't better than Fred McGriff or Boog Powell. Guys nobody even mentions.


If you go by peak years, Donnie Baseball had a 3-4 year run you can put up against anybody. He had the misfortune of playing between Yankee dynasties, when Steinbrenner was in full-on crazyman mode.


Yeah, he had a couple giant years, but from a career standpoint he just doesn't measure up to a lot of guys who are hardly even remembered.

And I don't think we can discount the idea that perhaps the reason his teams were between Yankee dynasties rather than being a Yankee dynasty is due to the fact that they were built around him rather than Mantle or Jeter. No championships. He isn't even a true Yankee. Go Tino!


I'm biased... like any great fan. But during the Redbird dry years, 2 of the best 1b we had were NY rejects.

Jefferies and Martinez.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:08 am 
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I guess the great Don Mattingly was not allowed to warm up before the game, according to President Darkside. Thank goodness Darkside is not the President of baseball, or else there would be countless pulled muscles in games.

The great Don Mattingly is my favorite Glorious Yankee amongst those players I actually saw play. When you look up "that son of a bitch could play" in the dictionary, there is a picture of the great Don Mattingly. Go ahead, hit a screaming line drive down the first base line. The great Don Mattingly will catch it - with his bleeping face if he has to. Oh, are you trying to sneak a monster curve ball past the great Don Mattingly? Consider that monster curveball deposited off the wall for a stand up double.

I literally begin weeping when I think that this great and Glorious Yankee never won a World Series.

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All righty then. That's pretty good.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:41 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Mattingly is one of the best of the last 50 years.


No. He wasn't better than Fred McGriff or Boog Powell. Guys nobody even mentions.


If you go by peak years, Donnie Baseball had a 3-4 year run you can put up against anybody. He had the misfortune of playing between Yankee dynasties, when Steinbrenner was in full-on crazyman mode.


Yeah, he had a couple giant years, but from a career standpoint he just doesn't measure up to a lot of guys who are hardly even remembered.

And I don't think we can discount the idea that perhaps the reason his teams were between Yankee dynasties rather than being a Yankee dynasty is due to the fact that they were built around him rather than Mantle or Jeter. No championships. He isn't even a true Yankee. Go Tino!

I don't even buy this. You're too smart a baseball observer to lead me to believe anything other than you are doing a contrarian bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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Apologist wrote:
I don't even buy this. You're too smart a baseball observer to lead me to believe anything other than you are doing a contrarian bit.


Well, the "true Yankee" part was tongue in cheek (I did actually see a piece on Yankee fans discussing who was and wasn't a true Yankee. Jeter yes. A-Rod no. Mattingly no. He never won a World Series. Jeffrey Maier yes. Tino yes.), but I don't consider Mattingly one of the best first basemen of the last 50 years by any stretch of the imagination. He's more like Derrek Lee. Better than Lee, but more similar to him than to Thomas and Pujols and Fielder, etc., etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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Put this to rest then... let me see your list.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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I'm not a numbers guy per se... but some of the arguments posted in this thread have no basis outside of meatballism.

You can take any position you see fit... but back it up.

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1. Lou Gehrig
2. Jimmie Fox
.....then the rest

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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JORR doesn't like Mattingly

He was the best all around player in baseball for a stretch


And don't give me the True Yankee bit. Mattingly had midde aged Tommy John and Ron Guidry leading the rotation, Jester had Petitte Cone Rivera etc


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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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That's why i don't like guys bringing up guys that played... in like the 30s.


I fucking hate Sosa... but he was probably one of the greatest RFs i actually saw play the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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rogers park bryan wrote:
JORR doesn't like Mattingly

He was the best all around player in baseball for a stretch


And don't give me the True Yankee bit. Mattingly had midde aged Tommy John and Ron Guidry leading the rotation, Jester had Petitte Cone Rivera etc



I have nothing against Mattingly. For a few seasons in the mid-80s he may have been the best hitter in the game. I think calling a first baseman "the best all-around player", regardless of how slick he may be defensively, is a bit silly though. There are just a lot of first basemen as good or better than Mattingly. Will Clark, for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
JORR doesn't like Mattingly

He was the best all around player in baseball for a stretch


And don't give me the True Yankee bit. Mattingly had midde aged Tommy John and Ron Guidry leading the rotation, Jester had Petitte Cone Rivera etc



I have nothing against Mattingly. For a few seasons in the mid-80s he may have been the best hitter in the game. I think calling a first baseman "the best all-around player", regardless of how slick he may be defensively, is a bit silly though. There are just a lot of first basemen as good or better than Mattingly. Will Clark, for example.

Not for those few years.

And Albert Pujols was the best player in baseball for a while too


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 Post subject: Re: Top 1B of all time*
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this is just the old peak vs. career debate. my list was career, but that's just arbitrary.

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