Carimi could be cut!!!

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 10:49 am

Bucky Chris wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

I think Tice had a huge influence on the Bears selection of Carimi. This one isn't all on Angelo.

Angelo had the final call on every single pick. The coaches had VERY little input on draft day. I'm sure Tice pumped him up, but it was Angelo's decision, and as the GM, he's responsible.

And if you're suggesting Angelo didn't want him, and Tice did... and then still drafted him, then Angelo is an idiot.

The coaches had little input on draft day? What does that mean exactly? Draft boards/rankings/strategies are finalized well before draft day. Further, throughout his tenure, Angelo conducted a "collaborative" player evaluation process in which coaches' opinions were highly valued. According to Mike Mulligan, picks like Danieal Manning, Dan Bazuin and Michael Okwo were made based heavily on Lovie's input--he loved their athleticism and versatility.

If you're suggesting Tice didn't have a huge impact on the Carimi selection, you haven't followed the reporting on that draft choice. Carimi was Tice's hand-picked guy. Tice's connection to Carimi via the former's son has been discussed extensively on sports talk radio.

And yes, I do think Angelo ran the Bears organization poorly. After it was established that Lovie is/was a poor talent evaluator, he should have limited his influence on player selections. He also should have been more careful about drafting injured players in the early rounds, especially after the Chris Williams debacle. Overall, he exhibited problems with his drafting philosophy and in the way he structured the Bears hierarchy. We'll see if Emery is any better.

Northside_Dan · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am

Carimi not reporting to first day of OTA's to train in Arizona. Pretty strange decision with a new coach and all

Urlacher's missing neck · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:02 pm

Skipped day 2 as well.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82234

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:38 pm

312player wrote:

Good, he sucks. Let him get pancaked elsewhere. Great pick Jerry, first round buster competing for backup guard position.

312player in 2011 wrote:

i actually like that pick...

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Krazy Ivan · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:39 pm

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

Miss her.... :cry:

Northside_Dan · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:40 pm

And therein lies the problem with Scoreheading.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:44 pm

Northside_Dan wrote:

And therein lies the problem with Scoreheading.

GM's always go to the draft!!

beni hanna · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:48 pm

Northside_Dan wrote:

And therein lies the problem with Scoreheading.

I had to remind myself the concept of "Scoreheading". I provide this for the rest of the class that might need an update as well.

As it was written by Darkside. Not sure which chapter of the good book this was from. Maybe Hank knows.

Verb.
1. To take a personal opinion and assign it to a specific population.
No one in the Bears locker room liked lovie
2. To take a personal opinion and assign it to everyone, often with little to no evidence.
No one at the score respects or likes meatpants and no one in Chicago likes him either.

Noun
1. A prognostication or prophecy in which there is no basis in fact other than a belief that ones opinions reflect the general populations opinion.
Mitt Romney will win in a landslide.

Separate offering by Northside Dan. Chapter still unknown.

3. To speak in absolute's despite often there being compelling evidence contrary to your opinion.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 2:55 pm

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

Do we know that Carimi was a bad pick? Right now, the only thing that we can say for sure is that he's either been injured or recovering from an injury for most of his NFL career.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

So did Hussra and he was called a troll for his efforts

Brick · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 4:36 pm

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

That's why she shouldn't come back to the board. Highly unlikely she'll be right about two things in that short of a time frame.

the ghost of t-dub · **Joined:** Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:47 pm **Posts:** 791

Tall Midget wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

Do we know that Carimi was a bad pick? Right now, the only thing that we can say for sure is that he's either been injured or recovering from an injury for most of his NFL career.

This is why I held out hope that he could still turn it around. I thought the Bears medical staff screwed up his rookie year by holding off on surgery bc they felt he could help later in the year if he just rested the knee for a while. They waited so long to get the surgery done, it set him back going into the next season's training camp. He wasn't given a decent offseason and it showed as he began another season behind schedule.

NearWessSideHussra · **Posted:** Tue May 14, 2013 9:44 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

So did Hussra and he was called a troll for his efforts

Spaulding or someone linked to some scouting reports that downgraded Carimi as a pass-blocker, which seemed at odds with the Bears trying to get OL help to protect Jay--hence bad pick. Plus the injury history. The guy the Packers took a pick or two later, Derek Sherrod, sounded like a better pass blocker, but then he broke his leg mid-way through his first season and missed all of last season.

Still think the Bears should've used a late round pick for a QB this season, the Arkansas guy seemed like he was cut from the same cloth as Cutler. He even has the same last name as the Seahawks QB, Tyler Wilson.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/T ... 09021.html

Quote:

With just three rookie minicamp performances this past weekend, former Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson made his presence known.

Though he barely knows the playbook, the rookie has caught the eyes of the coaching staff and the media.

Read one headline on NFL.com Monday morning: “Could Tyler Wilson push to start for Oakland Raiders?”

best part, the Raiders de facto No 1 QB this year was the Seahawks presumptive starting QB last Summer:

Quote:

Matt Flynn, acquired from the Seahawks this offseason, is penciled in as the team’s No. 1 quarterback going into this summer’s training camp, but GM Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen say holdover Terrelle Pryor will be given an opportunity to compete for the job.

After drafting Wilson in the fourth round, McKenzie said Wilson, too, will get a chance to compete, but he doesn’t want to rush him.

“I want him to learn the playbook first,” McKenzie told the San Francisco Chronicle. “Make sure he gets behind the center and not the guard.”

Seriously, Reggie?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82234

rogers park bryan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

So did Hussra and he was called a troll for his efforts

who?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82234

Krazy Ivan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Spaulding called this a bad pick from day 1.

Miss her.... :cry:

She's around. She was at a draft get together at the cbfans.net board.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 8:11 am

Tall Midget wrote:

Bucky Chris wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

I think Tice had a huge influence on the Bears selection of Carimi. This one isn't all on Angelo.

Angelo had the final call on every single pick. The coaches had VERY little input on draft day. I'm sure Tice pumped him up, but it was Angelo's decision, and as the GM, he's responsible.

And if you're suggesting Angelo didn't want him, and Tice did... and then still drafted him, then Angelo is an idiot.

The coaches had little input on draft day? What does that mean exactly? Draft boards/rankings/strategies are finalized well before draft day. Further, throughout his tenure, Angelo conducted a "collaborative" player evaluation process in which coaches' opinions were highly valued. According to Mike Mulligan, picks like Danieal Manning, Dan Bazuin and Michael Okwo were made based heavily on Lovie's input--he loved their athleticism and versatility.

If you're suggesting Tice didn't have a huge impact on the Carimi selection, you haven't followed the reporting on that draft choice. Carimi was Tice's hand-picked guy. Tice's connection to Carimi via the former's son has been discussed extensively on sports talk radio.

And yes, I do think Angelo ran the Bears organization poorly. After it was established that Lovie is/was a poor talent evaluator, he should have limited his influence on player selections. He also should have been more careful about drafting injured players in the early rounds, especially after the Chris Williams debacle. Overall, he exhibited problems with his drafting philosophy and in the way he structured the Bears hierarchy. We'll see if Emery is any better.

I'm suggesting, via my friend's dad who was a coach on Lovie's staff, that the coach's input was never valued like it's been made out in the media. In fact, it was a huge point of contention between Angelo and the coaching staff. The way it was explained to me, was that the GM/Coaches relationship in regards to drafting, was much different than how it works for the vast majority of the rest of the league.

And again, it doesn't matter how much input Tice had on the Carimi pick. It's Angelo's job to make the pick. He's responsible, period. If Angelo didn't like Carimi, and drafted him for Tice, he's crazy and a really bad GM.

Urlacher's missing neck · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 8:33 am

You need a new source now that Tice is gone.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 9:37 am

Bucky Chris wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Bucky Chris wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

I think Tice had a huge influence on the Bears selection of Carimi. This one isn't all on Angelo.

Angelo had the final call on every single pick. The coaches had VERY little input on draft day. I'm sure Tice pumped him up, but it was Angelo's decision, and as the GM, he's responsible.

And if you're suggesting Angelo didn't want him, and Tice did... and then still drafted him, then Angelo is an idiot.

The coaches had little input on draft day? What does that mean exactly? Draft boards/rankings/strategies are finalized well before draft day. Further, throughout his tenure, Angelo conducted a "collaborative" player evaluation process in which coaches' opinions were highly valued. According to Mike Mulligan, picks like Danieal Manning, Dan Bazuin and Michael Okwo were made based heavily on Lovie's input--he loved their athleticism and versatility.

If you're suggesting Tice didn't have a huge impact on the Carimi selection, you haven't followed the reporting on that draft choice. Carimi was Tice's hand-picked guy. Tice's connection to Carimi via the former's son has been discussed extensively on sports talk radio.

And yes, I do think Angelo ran the Bears organization poorly. After it was established that Lovie is/was a poor talent evaluator, he should have limited his influence on player selections. He also should have been more careful about drafting injured players in the early rounds, especially after the Chris Williams debacle. Overall, he exhibited problems with his drafting philosophy and in the way he structured the Bears hierarchy. We'll see if Emery is any better.

I'm suggesting, via my friend's dad who was a coach on Lovie's staff, that the coach's input was never valued like it's been made out in the media. In fact, it was a huge point of contention between Angelo and the coaching staff. The way it was explained to me, was that the GM/Coaches relationship in regards to drafting, was much different than how it works for the vast majority of the rest of the league.

And again, it doesn't matter how much input Tice had on the Carimi pick. It's Angelo's job to make the pick. He's responsible, period. If Angelo didn't like Carimi, and drafted him for Tice, he's crazy and a really bad GM.

So which is it? Did the coaches have input or not? You seem to be saying two different things above.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

My friend's dad says Tice had a big role in that pick.

He sells insurance.

Krazy Ivan · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 9:46 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

My friend's dad says Tice had a big role in that pick.

He sells insurance.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 9:47 am

Tall Midget wrote:

So which is it? Did the coaches have input or not? You seem to be saying two different things above.

I don't know about that pick specifically. I know the coach's never felt their input was valued enough.

My primary point is, it doesn't matter how much or how little input they had. It's Angelo's pick.

Do you think Tice wanted Carimi, and Angelo didn't?

Brick · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 9:49 am

Coach who worked under Lovie saying coaches not to blame for bad pick. Well, that's a pretty shocking thing to happen. I expected that it would be "You know that terrible pick that was made, yeah, it was our fault".

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 9:55 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Coach who worked under Lovie saying coaches not to blame for bad pick. Well, that's a pretty shocking thing to happen. I expected that it would be "You know that terrible pick that was made, yeah, it was our fault".

I don't disagree, but this sentiment was shared with me long before the Carimi pick. My commentary is not specific to Gabe.

But all in all, the team employs a scouting department, it's their job to scout and draft players. To suggest Tice had any more influence than the area scout, the scouting director and the GM in any draft pick is crazy. It's ignoring an entire draft structure.

I don't know the specifics on Gabe, but common sense would suggest the area scout, dir and GM all trusted the pick. Their jobs are evaluated on the talent they scout and draft. I just can't imagine them all saying "well, we all have Carimi graded as a 2-3 round pick, but Tice loves him. Let's take him in the first."

the ghost of t-dub · **Joined:** Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:47 pm **Posts:** 791

[quote="Tall Midget".[/quote]

If you're suggesting Tice didn't have a huge impact on the Carimi selection, you haven't followed the reporting on that draft choice. Carimi was Tice's hand-picked guy. Tice's connection to Carimi via the former's son has been discussed extensively on sports talk radio..[/quote]

This.

Angelo openly admitted he was a "consensus builder" which led to a lot of his issues. It's no secret that Tice spent a ton of time on the UW campus because of his kid and his own rapport with their coaches. I have little doubt that Meathead Mike had his paw prints all over this pick.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 10:20 am

I'm not doubting Tice loved Carimi. I know he did, that's obvious. But to give him more credit for the pick than the guys who have the job of scouting and drafting is misguided, IMO.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 10:24 am

Quote:

“He was our fourth-ranked lineman and I believe throughout the building we all ranked him about the same, maybe a couple of the other guys were switched back and forth,” Tice said. “But as it got closer to our pick, we were getting a little bit more excited that the chance of him being there was a real possibility.

Furious Styles · **Posted:** Wed May 15, 2013 10:44 am

Shaky the Mohel already cut him.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 16, 2013 9:14 am

Bucky Chris wrote:

I'm not doubting Tice loved Carimi. I know he did, that's obvious. But to give him more credit for the pick than the guys who have the job of scouting and drafting is misguided, IMO.

Who has made this point? Imaginary message-boarding.

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