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I heard Dan Patrick talk about the Dwight Howard story this morning on his show. He thinks Houston would be the ideal landing spot for the big man if he decided to leave the Lakers this summer. I'm not so sure even though they have James Harden, not to mention Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik.

Why are you not sure that Houston would be the ideal place for Howard?


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I heard Dan Patrick talk about the Dwight Howard story this morning on his show. He thinks Houston would be the ideal landing spot for the big man if he decided to leave the Lakers this summer. I'm not so sure even though they have James Harden, not to mention Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik.

Why are you not sure that Houston would be the ideal place for Howard?

I'm not sure they have enough salary cap space. Dwight Howard's going to want a lot of $$$$, regardless of where he plays basketball next season. The Lakers can actually pay him the most, and all indications near the end of the regular season pointed towards #12 staying put.


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I heard Dan Patrick talk about the Dwight Howard story this morning on his show. He thinks Houston would be the ideal landing spot for the big man if he decided to leave the Lakers this summer. I'm not so sure even though they have James Harden, not to mention Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik.

Why are you not sure that Houston would be the ideal place for Howard?

I'm not sure they have enough salary cap space. Dwight Howard's going to want a lot of $$$$, regardless of where he plays basketball next season. The Lakers can actually pay him the most, and all indications near the end of the regular season pointed towards #12 staying put.

Your post indicated that you didn't believe Houston was the right fit for Howard. I'm not talking about cap space. Assuming that they do have the cap space (and if they didn't, they wouldn't be pursuing him), do you think Howard would excel in a Rockets uniform? I actually do.

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I heard Dan Patrick talk about the Dwight Howard story this morning on his show. He thinks Houston would be the ideal landing spot for the big man if he decided to leave the Lakers this summer. I'm not so sure even though they have James Harden, not to mention Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik.

Why are you not sure that Houston would be the ideal place for Howard?

I'm not sure they have enough salary cap space. Dwight Howard's going to want a lot of $$$$, regardless of where he plays basketball next season. The Lakers can actually pay him the most, and all indications near the end of the regular season pointed towards #12 staying put.



According to Hoopshype, for the 2014/15 season, the Rockets are already allocating $44 million to just 3 players: Harden, Asik and Lin. I imagine Dwight will demand somewhere between $18-20 million. That would obviously put them somewhere around $62-64 million for just those 4 players. WELL over the cap.

I'm not sure Hoopshype has the correct salaries though. I thought that with those poison pill contracts, that only the team that matches would be screwed. Like for instance, Asik and Lin are getting 5, 5, and 15 for their 3 year contracts. But I'm almost certain that the offering team can spread that out evenly across those 3 years. In other words, I think Asik and Lin are making $8 million per season, and if that's the case, then Houston COULD afford Howard.


This.

And, like Cairo mentioned, if they're going to pursue him, you can safely assume they'll make sure cap space is available. Still think the Bulls should get involved, somehow. It's negligent if they don't.

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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


I think vegan was saying the Bulls should get involved should the Rockets want to move Asik to accomodate Howard.

I could be mistaken.


Probably bad wording on my part. I meant getting involved in the Howard race. As for Asik, after 2011 I thought he'd do well as a starter if the Bulls decided to move Noah. Did not expect GarPax to let an asset like that walk out the door for nothing.

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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


I think vegan was saying the Bulls should get involved should the Rockets want to move Asik to accomodate Howard.

I could be mistaken.


Probably bad wording on my part. I meant getting involved in the Howard race. As for Asik, after 2011 I thought he'd do well as a starter if the Bulls decided to move Noah. Did not expect GarPax to let an asset like that walk out the door for nothing.

I think the Bulls tried to get involved in the Dwight Howard talks when he was in Orlando, but he's repeatedly said no to Chicago. I don't think you can blame GarPax for trying. It takes 2 to make a deal...


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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


Don't know if he said no, but I read rumors and the like about his preferences. What I am saying is the Bulls should be involved in the UFA market when stars are available as a matter of policy, so as long as Rose is here. If that means getting the door slammed shut in your face, that's fine. The point is trying.

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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


Don't know if he said no, but I read rumors and the like about his preferences. What I am saying is the Bulls should be involved in the UFA market when stars are available as a matter of policy, so as long as Rose is here. If that means getting the door slammed shut in your face, that's fine. The point is trying.

Vegan, Dwight Howard has said no to Chicago, but it brings up a bigger problem that this franchise continues to have trouble with today.

Unfortunately, the Bulls haven't been able to land premium free agents since Michael Jeffrey Jordan retired from the Bulls following the 1998 lockout. They can clear out as much as salary cap room as any team in the NBA, but even before the Bulls hit the jackpot winning the Draft Lottery to draft Derrick Rose in 2008, free agents have avoided Chicago like the plague. Worse, guys like Eddie Jones then & Dwyane Wade 3 years ago simply used the Bulls as leverage to stay where they're at.

It remains to be seen if the Bulls will be able to clear a great deal of salary cap space to make another run at the 2014 free agent class. It's a class that features the Heat's LeBron James, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant & the Knicks' Carmelo Anthony, to my knowledge. Will the Bulls have enough money next summer to cut their losses with Carlos Boozer and land a second star to go along with Rose? That's the $64,000 question.


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That's true, SHARK, they've sucked at playing the FA game. Even though they're a big market team, perhaps it's time start thinking like a mid-market team that relies on trades and smart drafting. it seems the best bet to acquire a star is through a trade, preferably when said star has at least two years left on his contract, although I'd still do it with one year left and no guarantee of a long-term commitment if he's big enough.

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That's true, SHARK, they've sucked at playing the FA game. Even though they're a big market team, perhaps it's time start thinking like a mid-market team that relies on trades and smart drafting. it seems the best bet to acquire a star is through a trade, preferably when said star has at least two years left on his contract, although I'd still do it with one year left and no guarantee of a long-term commitment if he's big enough.

The Bulls have done much better drafting, Vegan. That is something GarPax has done much better in recent years, although the jury is still very much out on rarely used PG Marquis Teague, drafted near the end of Round 1 last season.


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Vinny Del Negro is out of a job.

Walt is despondent.

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Vinny Del Negro is out of a job.

Walt is despondent.

Not surprised. VDN's job was in trouble once the Clippers lost to Memphis in Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs.


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If he's gone, how can you not target Sloan if you really want to keep Paul and win?

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If he's gone, how can you not target Sloan if you really want to keep Paul and win?

Jerry Sloan was a proven winner out in Utah, but would he be able to keep Chris Paul, an UFA this summer? Then again, dealing with Clippers' Owner Donald Sterling can be awfully difficult...


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The Bulls could make another run, but if Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago, what's the point? He said no to Chicago before. He'll say no again.


Don't know if he said no, but I read rumors and the like about his preferences. What I am saying is the Bulls should be involved in the UFA market when stars are available as a matter of policy, so as long as Rose is here. If that means getting the door slammed shut in your face, that's fine. The point is trying.

Vegan, Dwight Howard has said no to Chicago, but it brings up a bigger problem that this franchise continues to have trouble with today.

Unfortunately, the Bulls haven't been able to land premium free agents since Michael Jeffrey Jordan retired from the Bulls following the 1998 lockout. They can clear out as much as salary cap room as any team in the NBA, but even before the Bulls hit the jackpot winning the Draft Lottery to draft Derrick Rose in 2008, free agents have avoided Chicago like the plague. Worse, guys like Eddie Jones then & Dwyane Wade 3 years ago simply used the Bulls as leverage to stay where they're at.

It remains to be seen if the Bulls will be able to clear a great deal of salary cap space to make another run at the 2014 free agent class. It's a class that features the Heat's LeBron James, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant & the Knicks' Carmelo Anthony, to my knowledge. Will the Bulls have enough money next summer to cut their losses with Carlos Boozer and land a second star to go along with Rose? That's the $64,000 question.


It would be one thing to land James, but I don't think they should go after Bryant or Anthony. The problem for the Bulls is that Rose did not come back soon enough, so you don't know what this team can do in the playoffs with him. They went to the Eastern Conference Finals with him and then they won one game against Philadelphia and then you have 3 series without Rose.

When Rose was playing well the rest of the team was getting easy shots. If Butler turns out good next year the Bulls may have close to enough.

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Steve Clifford is the latest sucker, I mean head coach of the Charlotte Bobcats. The Lakers' assistant has agreed to become Charlotte's new head coach, according to Yahoo! Sports, ESPN & multiple outlets. Terms not disclosed.


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Steve Clifford is the latest sucker, I mean head coach of the Charlotte Bobcats.



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Source: Chris Paul 'angry' with Clips
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Chris Paul is upset with the Los Angeles Clippers organization because he is being widely blamed for the firing of Vinny Del Negro as coach, according to a source close to the situation.

How much of an impact this will have on Paul's decision to re-sign with the Clippers as a free agent is not clear, but the source conceded that Paul's anger could lead him to look elsewhere.

"He's angry right now and his anger is directed toward the Clippers organization," the source said. "Chris is a man of principle and if he feels like you've gone against his principles, it will affect how he feels about you. He's very agitated that his name has been put out there as the reason for Vinny's firing. He had nothing to do with it."

It has been widely assumed that Paul will re-sign with the Clippers this summer. He often has spoken as if it's a foregone conclusion.

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Plus, the Clippers can offer him a five-year, $108 million deal, $28 million more than any other club. But the source said he would not put it past Paul to turn down more money if he feels strongly that he's been slighted.

Del Negro was fired on May 21 after leading the Clippers to 56 wins, the most successful regular season in franchise history. That same day, Clippers owner Donald Sterling strongly implied in an interview with the Los Angeles Times that Paul and Blake Griffin were to blame for Del Negro's ouster.

Sterling told the Times that Del Negro "is a wonderful man" and that he's "sad about the whole thing."

Sterling was asked by the Times if Del Negro was fired "just to hang on to Chris Paul."

Sterling said: "I always want to be honest and not say anything that is not true. So I'd rather not say anything. But you know, the coach did a really good job. I think he did. And I liked working with him. There are just factors that make life very complicated and very challenging."

The Times then asked Sterling if it was "off base" to say the "players are now calling the shots."

"No, you're not off base," Sterling said. "This is a players' league, and, unfortunately, if you want to win, you have to make the players happy."

Sterling later told the Times, "If you have special players, and special players think that they know the best opportunity to win, you have to support them."

True or not, Del Negro believes Paul got him fired, according to a source close to the Clippers' ex-coach. The source added that Del Negro had no idea during the regular season or the playoffs that Paul wanted him out. During an appearance on "The Dan Patrick Show," Del Negro implied on Thursday that Paul was the reason he was let go.

But a source with knowledge of the situation said Paul refused to get involved in the Clippers' coaching situation and that he wanted nothing to do with the decision to retain or release Del Negro.

"Chris made it abundantly clear to the Clippers that he did not want to be involved in any decision about Vinny's future," the source said. "And Blake had nothing to do with it, either."

The source said the Clippers' front office was at odds with Del Negro for much of the season and that its differences with him were so strong that the executives did not need to consult Paul or any other players when deciding on Del Negro's future with the team.

One divide between Del Negro and the front office stemmed from the fact that the ex-coach made trade calls to other clubs during the season, according to a source. As the February trade deadline neared, the source said Del Negro discussed a potential deal with the Boston Celtics that would have sent DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe to Boston for Kevin Garnett. The rumor became major news around the league, even though the Clippers' front office was staunchly against the trade.

"The front office's feelings about getting rid of Vinny were strong enough that the players didn't need to get involved," a source said.

"The reason Vinny is no longer the Clippers' coach is because the front office didn't think he was the guy that could get them where they were trying to go. The players didn't have anything to do with it."

One source added that Paul is also steering clear of the Clippers' search for a new coach. The Clippers have a short list of current ESPN NBA analyst Jeff Van Gundy, Brian Shaw and Byron Scott, according to a source. They are also considering asking the Nuggets for permission to interview coach George Karl, a source confirmed. Alvin Gentry and Nate McMillan are also candidates, a source told ESPNLosAngeles.com.

Paul will be eligible for free agency on July 1. Several clubs will be willing to offer him a maximum-salaried contract. If he wants to leave the Clippers, Paul could also request a sign-and-trade to a team without salary-cap space.

If Paul considers leaving the Clippers, the Atlanta Hawks would be a potential landing spot. Paul always has been fond of the city of Atlanta, and the Hawks have the cap room to sign both Paul and Dwight Howard, a Lakers free agent, to lucrative contracts. Paul and Howard have spoken in the past about joining forces, but once Paul was traded to the Clippers in December 2011 and Howard was moved to the Lakers last summer, the duo figured that possibility was dead.

Howard, an Atlanta native, has been lukewarm at best about the idea of playing in his hometown. But the possibility of playing with Paul likely would get him to rethink his position.

Information from ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne was used in this report.

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The part about Del Negro initiating conversations with the Celtics is just weird. I'm not sure what side to believe here, but we know that both Sterling and Del Negro are weird and bad at what they do. If I'm Paul, I wouldn't want to sign with the Clips if there was any possibility of Sterling influencing personnel decisions.

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Oh boy! Where have we heard this before in Clipperland or LOB City for that matter?


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Looks like Hollins and Hollinger had beef in Memphis:

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Management wants a coach willing to buy into the analytic movement, using those mechanisms to make roster, lineup and system decisions. Hollins has resented what he considers undue interference by management, and has stood by his track record and success in maintaining productivity with a roster of diverse and difficult personalities.
During the Grizzlies' playoff run, tensions turned to a confrontation when Hollins exploded during a practice session upon finding Hollinger had walked onto the practice court and engaged forward Austin Daye during a shooting drill, multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports.
With the team watching – and with a motive to show his players that he was completely in charge on the floor, sources said – Hollins loudly questioned Hollinger about what he was doing, and why he believed it was appropriate for a management official to intrude on what's considered sacred territory for a coach and team, sources said.


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The Atlanta Hawks are expected to pursue Chris Paul and Dwight Howard when the NBA's free-agency period begins next month.

But by specifically mentioning both Paul and Howard in a letter to potential ticket buyers, the Hawks may have violated the NBA's tampering policy.

Hawks president Bob Williams acknowledged Tuesday that the sales letter, first reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, was an "unfortunate" mistake made by a team ticket representative.

The letter names Paul and Howard, both scheduled to become unrestricted free agents on July 1, as players the Hawks will target this offseason. Written on team letterhead, the letter includes the headline: "Hot New Player news: Chris Paul and Dwight Howard," and claims that player interest in joining the Hawks is "skyrocketing."

According to the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, teams are required to decline comment about potential free agents prior to the beginning of free agency. Paul, who has spent the past two seasons with the Clippers, and Howard, coming off a disappointing season with the Lakers, technically remain under contract with their respective teams until the July 1 deadline.

"The buzz around our offseason is more than heating up," the letter said, according to the paper. "With massive cap space, 4 draft picks, and free agency rapidly approaching, we sit in the best position in the NBA. Player interest is skyrocketing as the possibilities of landing Chris Paul & Dwight Howard become more and more of a reality.

"This is your opportunity to get on board before its [sic] too late. Once we solidify our signings there will be no seats left." :lol: :lol:

Williams' statement was to show that the sales pitch was not tampering, claiming that the staffer's "specific reference clearly does not represent how our basketball operations or our business staff have consistently communicated about free agency."

The NBA has not commented on the letter.

The letter also included a link to a story by ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard, who was told by a source last week that Paul was angry with the Clippers because he had been widely blamed for the firing of coach Vinny Del Negro.

The Hawks have the cap room to sign both Paul and Howard, an Atlanta native, to lucrative contracts.The All-Stars have spoken in the past about joining forces, but once Paul was traded to the Clippers in December 2011 and Howard was moved to the Lakers last summer, the duo figured that possibility was dead.

Howard has been lukewarm at best about the idea of playing in his hometown. But the possibility of playing with Paul likely would get him to rethink his position.

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You think he might be headed to Toronto with that GM who left?

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You think he might be headed to Toronto with that GM who left?



I could see that.


Interesting to note that 5 of the past 8 winners of the NBA Coach of the Year have been let go within 2 years of winning the award.

Has anyone been fired right after winning the award?

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Is the Bucks job still available? I'd like to see him go back there if so.

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Is the Bucks job still available? I'd like to see him go back there if so.


Not available. We got Larry Drew. So excited. Especially now that Karl and Lionel Hollins are available.


Sorry KS, but wouldn't you classify the Bucks job right now as a dead end position? They're just decent enough to escape the lottery, but not nearly good enough to make some noise in the playoffs. On top of that, they're not an attractive FA destination even if they had the space. They seem to be locked in to draft picks in the teens and .500 records for at least the next 3-4 years, unless the bottom drops out and they score a top three pick or something. I just see either very mediocre or very bad in their short-term future.

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Keeping Score wrote:
Erik Spoelstra is now the 3rd longest tenured head coach in the NBA.

Wrong, that award goes to Pat Riley.

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