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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:03 pm 
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I sat in on one of the "expert" meeting at WSCR 670 AM The Score.

Goes like this:

1. Do you work here, already, in any capacity?
2. Which sport do you like?
3. Here is your new title. Keep in mind we may pull you out of the production studio or away from the mop bucket to chime in when some news happens in your particular sport.
4. Thanks.


You're really not far off. Here's how it works. Producers at the Score hit their 30s and they start crying to Mitch that they deserve a promotion. They start to panic and think they'll be answering phones their entire radio career. So Mitch tries to throw them a bone to shut them up by making them part time reporters and telling Score listeners that they are now "experts". Mitch also racially profiles his producers when he gives them these positions.

Jay Zawaski is a racist, meatball hockey fan so he became the Blackhawks expert. Drinky is the stereotypical ass hat/frat boy Cubs fan so he got to cover the Cubs. Goff is black so Mitch naturally gave him the Bulls and NBA.

Although I think Drink is done covering the Cubs. Shuester has been doing the Cubs and Sox for most of the season.


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I've said in the past that the Score's designation of what are for all intents and purposes Average Fans as their "experts" would make sense as a tongue-in-cheek, wink-nudge gesture of trope subversion if the Score were still in the business of speaking truth to power rather than putting lips to ass, supposing they ever were in the first place. When you run CBS Radio out of a skyscraper in the Loop and you pull a producer off the soundboard to pose as an expert, you just look really chintzy. It's bad enough that Jason is a de facto third host and is still made to answer phones. You can hear them in the background when he talks!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:23 pm 
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ESPN 1000 has more credibility. When they launched web sites for all major U.S cities Bristol financed it. So it didn't have to come out of the local radio station's budget. They use these web reporters on the radio as well.

Score can't do that cuz CBS corp won't back them. They have to spend from their own budget That's why Mitch uses his producers on the cheap to pawn of "Experts" to the listeners. It's really that simple.

Bristol thought big picture. They figure they'd take a loss initially with these web sites, but they would grow and be profitable later. I read some where that these sites are doing well now. Especiallly the ESPNNewyork.com, ESPNChicago.com and ESPNBoston.com


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ESPN sucks and is awful, on this we all agree, but at least there's still a veneer of professionalism to their sucking. I'd say both stations are in about the same place when it comes to currying favor with the sports establishment and crapping on local fans (The Score disrespects you by calling you dumb when you call; ESPN disrespects you by airing Mike and Mike), but at least ESPN feels like a well-oiled machine, you know? The Score feels like inmates running the asylum if the inmates were for some reason enamored of Jerry Reinsdorf. There's a certain artlessness to Score imaging that I can't put a finger on, but when they do their typical promos where it's "Na Na Hey hey" playing behind "THIS IS THE HOME OF THE TOTALLY AWESOME FIRST PLACE WHITE SOX!!!" followed by Ed Farmer slurring "hurrah defy works!" or "that's his 400th, his home run, Paul Konerko's" or whatever that noticeably mangled syntax was, all I think of is a bunch of Sox meatballs excitedly playing with expensive equipment. "Ayy! Sahhx are in first! Quick, cut a promo! Yeahhh!"

Same with the websites. Bristol did put money into ESPN Chicago and other local sites. Dan writes these good columns on Jerry Sandusky, European antisemitism, and college sports corruption, but then they're surrounded by tile ads for Hot Kate Upton Slideshows and the page automatically refreshes when you're in the middle of reading it.

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I don't listen to ESPN 1000, nor do I visit ESPNChicago much. But, like I said, I did read about Bristol's vision with these local web sites and how they wanted to cross promote the web sites with the local radio station affiliates. Have the staff working for both outlets. They put a lot of money into getting a full staff of writers and reporters for each city. ESPN TV promotes the hell out of these local sites on Sports Center. Like they'll do a story on the Heat and then tell you to go to ESPNMiami.com to read more.

I do think that Mitch telling drink, Goff and Zawoski that they are now "Experts" was a direct response to ESPNChicago/ESPN 1000 new staff of experts and reporters. It's all he could do. He didn't have the money that ESPN had to give to it's Chicago affiliate.

So, one day, out of no where, drink, Goff and Zawoski became baseball, basketball and hockey "experts". :lol: It really is absurd and stupid. Mitch also tried to get his web site going with blogs from Larry and Zack on the Bears. I have a feeling that failed. They're just not pro writers and nobody thinks much of what they have to say anyway. I'm sure Bernstein's columns get hits, though. I don't think this 10 foot midget has a big following. Hell, he admitted here that he basically gets no money for his blog. That's the difference. ESPN hired pro writers and paid them real salaries. The Score lets this Midget win a contest and gives him 5 bucks a blog or whatever the hell it is.


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How does Jason Goff qualify as a basketball "expert"? Does he have a basketball background I'm unaware of? I think he has a good future as a host but always wonder about the "basketball expert" tag.


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One more thing. These local ESPN websites have reporters following the teams on the road. They travel them to every game. That's expensive. Meanwhile, I don't even think Goff, the Score's Bulls expert, owns a car to get to the Berto Center. Think about that. :lol:

I'm not knocking Goff for not owning a car. I'm also making this assumption because he always talks of taking public transportation. That's fine. He's a bachelor living in the city on a producer's salary. It's economical for him to use public transportation. City parking and gas costs would kill him. Not to mention car payments and insurance.

I'm just saying a radio station's basketball expert should have a car to get to the team's suburban facility. What do I know? I'm just a dumb ass cracker that's not qualified to speak on radio station " basketball experts". Just like all crackers don't know basketball itself according to Goff. :( But hey, Bulls are moving to the city next year. So maybe Goff covers practices next year. That works out nice for him. Works out great for Score listeners. Goff will now get the answers that Bulls fans deserve like only he can. :roll:

Seriously, these producers at the Score serving as "experts" and "reporters" because they are cheap (sometimes free) labor makes the Score look so "small time" compared to their chief competetor. I think everybody here would agree with that.


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Jesse Rogers is an ESPN expert.

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Jesse Rogers is an ESPN expert.


I can't hate on Jesse too harshly. He always sounded like a miserable prick when he was at the score, but since he's been ESPN's "blackhawks guy" he at least keeps things relatively stripped down and informative. That is to say in print only - I haven't heard/seen Jesse in years, so maybe that's part of why my opinion has changed.

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Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


Ah, yep. The most relevant airtime he ever got on the score was when the feed from the hawks game went out and Jesse did impromptu play-by-play for a few minutes before they got the feed back.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


Ah, yep. The most relevant airtime he ever got on the score was when the feed from the hawks game went out and Jesse did impromptu play-by-play for a few minutes before they got the feed back.


are you overlooking the whole hit-n-ralph epoch?

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Dewskie wrote:
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Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


Ah, yep. The most relevant airtime he ever got on the score was when the feed from the hawks game went out and Jesse did impromptu play-by-play for a few minutes before they got the feed back.


are you overlooking the whole hit-n-ralph epoch?


We don't talk about that.

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Dewskie wrote:
We don't talk about that.


you are so jelly. you don't have a comedy vault like george ofman.

kind of ironic for a radio guy to have the name "ofman" right?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


I'm not talking about the competance of the ESPN 1000 reporters and experts. I'm just saying that as a media outlet, they hire people full time for these gigs. Jesse, idiot or not, is the full time hockey expert that covers that is at every game. It's not a side gig. The Score's experts are basically full time producers that are called experts.

Like I said, Mitch's half assed, cheap effort to stock his station with experts makes the Score look very small time in a big city.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


I'm not talking about the competance of the ESPN 1000 reporters and experts. I'm just saying that as a media outlet, they hire people full time for these gigs. Jesse, idiot or not, is the full time hockey expert that covers that is at every game. It's not a side gig. The Score's experts are basically full time producers that are called experts.

Like I said, Mitch's half assed, cheap effort to stock his station with experts makes the Score look very small time in a big city.


To me, the issue isn't one of "cheapness" but more of tone. I assume that people like Steve Stone or Don Cooper get compensated at a fairly high level for their baseball expertise, but I would argue that their appearances do less to enhance the Score brand than the inchoate meanderings of Jason "The Bulls' Signing of Wade is Imminent" Goff. Both of those guys often respond to innocuous questions (from callers or hosts) with a degree of hostility that is frankly incomprehensible. Why does the Score have such difficulty finding on-air talent--"experts" or hosts--who don't appear to actively hate their colleagues and listeners? I'd much rather listen to Goff than Stone any day of the week, but both leave much to be desired.

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Beardown wrote:
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Not hating on Jesse.

Just pointing out that the Blackhawks expert on ESPN1000, the chief competitor of the small time Score, was nothing more than a producer.


I'm not talking about the competance of the ESPN 1000 reporters and experts. I'm just saying that as a media outlet, they hire people full time for these gigs. Jesse, idiot or not, is the full time hockey expert that covers that is at every game. It's not a side gig. The Score's experts are basically full time producers that are called experts.

Like I said, Mitch's half assed, cheap effort to stock his station with experts makes the Score look very small time in a big city.


To me, the issue isn't one of "cheapness" but more of tone. I assume that people like Steve Stone or Don Cooper get compensated at a fairly high level for their baseball expertise, but I would argue that their appearances do less to enhance the Score brand than the inchoate meanderings of Jason "The Bulls' Signing of Wade is Imminent" Goff. Both of those guys often respond to innocuous questions (from callers or hosts) with a degree of hostility that is frankly incomprehensible. Why does the Score have such difficulty finding on-air talent--"experts" or hosts--who don't appear to actively hate their colleagues and listeners? I'd much rather listen to Goff than Stone any day of the week, but both leave much to be desired.
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Carmelo Anthony: 'My time is coming'

NEW YORK -- Now that LeBron James has done it, Carmelo Anthony is ready to shed the label of one of the best players in the NBA without a title.

Soon.

"I believe that my time is coming," Anthony said Tuesday morning at Madame Tussauds New York during an unveiling of his own wax figure. "I'm a big believer in that, whether it's this year or next year. I truly believe that my time is coming and we're going to keep playing for that."

After the Knicks lost to the Heat in the first round of the playoffs, coach Mike Woodson suggested that Anthony, along with a few of his teammates, needed to get into better shape. Anthony has since undertaken a rigorous training program in the Los Angeles area that has helped him shed 12 pounds and feel lighter on his feet at 239 pounds.

Anthony also has worked out with teammates Tyson Chandler and Jeremy Lin a few times.

A few days ago, Woodson, along with members of the team, flew to LA and were impressed with what they saw from Anthony.

"Me and coach Woodson talk, and me and the training staff talk, and there are some things that they would like to see coming back into this season," Anthony said. "Right now, I exceeded their expectations, and when they saw me the other day, they were kind of shocked to see me down in weight. They came to my workout, they saw it. They're actually excited about how much hard work that I'm putting in and the things I'm doing right now."

Anthony has found inspiration in watching his friend James win a title with the Heat.

He said that James' accomplishment made him feel "extra motivated," especially because the Finals MVP was able to quiet the critics who said he couldn't win the big game. Those same critics haven't left Melo alone since he arrived in New York in Feb. 2011 after a blockbuster trade, simply because he's the Knicks' best player.

"The motivation is fun at this point in time just to see those guys and see how excited they were to win that championship and see LeBron overcome everything that he's been going through and that's been said about him," said Anthony, who talked to James and Dwyane Wade right after Game 5. "And for him to finally get it, I couldn't be more excited for him to get that. But for me, it's motivation and it's exciting."

In addition to the workout meeting, Anthony, Woodson, assistants Jim Dodd and Darrell Walker, as well as Lin and Chandler, met for dinner and discussed team preparation for next season.

"It was good, man," Anthony said. "Myself, Tyson and Jeremy was out there in LA working out and training and things like that, and the coaching staff came out there and gave their support. The training staff was out there. We're just trying to get that camaraderie right now, that family mentality and trying to create a bond -- not just on the court, but off the court as well right now."

Anthony reflected on the past season, calling it a "roller-coaster" and one in which "injuries were our downfall." But he's very encouraged by next season, saying it was a "great thing" that the Knicks re-signed Woodson. Melo said with a full season ahead, which would be his first in New York (with no trade or lockout), it'll give the team the needed time to jell.

"We've got to be together for a minute," he said. "All the teams that won over the years have been together for multiple years and they've been through a lot of stuff. We had three fourths of a season last year to deal with what we were dealt with. This year, we want to come in with a clean plate. We've got a full year. I'll be here for a full year, our team will be here for a full year, training camp. We won't have nothing to worry about. It's just basketball and locking in at this point."

Anthony wouldn't specify which free agents or kinds of players the Knicks need, but he hinted what could prevent new players from joining the team.

"Money always comes into play, so that's a big thing," he said.

If the Bird rights ruling stands, the Knicks can sign Lin and Steve Novak over the salary cap and will have a mid-level exception of $3 million to spend, likely on a seasoned veteran point guard. But that amount could still be lower than what Steve Nash, Andre Miller and Raymond Felton could fetch in free agency.

Regarding the wax figure, Anthony said it was the coolest thing that's happened to him since he's been in New York. He said he worked on the project after practice one day this past season, posing for about six hours, so the wax figure team could begin the design process.

"This is the No. 1 thing," he said. "I never imagined first just me being in this museum representing New York like this. This is at the top of my list."

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Probably not a good idea to lose those 12 lbs. so quickly after the season. How long until they are back on? My guess is early September.

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Melo says that he’s called selfish because of Linsanity

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Anthony of the U.S. smiles from the bench during his game against Nigeria at their men's preliminary round Group A basketball match at the Basketball Arena during the London 2012 Olympic Games Reuters

Carmelo Anthony apparently thinks that the whole idea of him being “selfish” started with Linsanity. Yeah. From USA Today:

But he pinpoints exactly when the “Anthony is selfish” meme began.

“Let’s be frank about it,” he said. “When it comes to the Knicks, we’re talking about one particular point in time. We’re talking about the whole ‘Linsanity’ thing. That’s when it started. That’s when it started to escalate as far as people saying I was selfish.”

“Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team,” Anthony said. “They’re not going to point to Amar’e. They’re not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They’re going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn’t bother me.”

OK, well, that’s nice that he’s got a persecution complex about Jeremy Lin, but that’s not entirely accurate. Anthony was described not as selfish but as having too high of a usage rate dating back for years. It was part of the complexion of the discussion surrounding his potential and eventual trade to the Knicks that he is a high-usage player with a limited capacity for playmaking outside of scoring who isn’t an elite defender and in short, loves the ball and shooting the ball and all the things with the ball.

This was not a new development, nor was it something that was born out of Jeremy Lin. Lin simply served as an example of what can happen when you don’t settle for an isolation-centric offense, which is what Anthony is most comfortable with. Anthony’s not selfish. He wants to win. But if you’re comfortable doing something, and you’re good at it, you’re going to think that’s the best way to succeed. But Lin showed that there’s another way, a way where more people are involved and Anthony doesn’t have the ball. But Anthony couldn’t find a way to mesh with that. Whether that had something to do with Lin being gone is irrelevant to this discussion, it’s just a fact. He’s not there anymore, and the Knicks will almost entirely be built around ISOMelo.

But let’s not pretend like the topic of whether Anthony’s game is too self-focused started in February. This has been going on for years.

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Can't wait until the Knicks try the exact same thing again next year!

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I'm a Carmelo fan because of the highlight reel stuff, but he's proving that you simply cannot build a team around him and expect to win a championship. That's why I would have liked him in Chicago. Derrick Rose would be able to captain the offense, and then Carmelo could just score when needed. Carmelo can't be your #1 option. His dynamic scoring is a hindrance to the overall goal.

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I'm a Carmelo fan because of the highlight reel stuff, but he's proving that you simply cannot build a team around him and expect to win a championship. That's why I would have liked him in Chicago. Derrick Rose would be able to captain the offense, and then Carmelo could just score when needed. Carmelo can't be your #1 option. His dynamic scoring is a hindrance to the overall goal.

But hasnt he pretty much proven he has no interest in being a second banana? that if the offense doesnt run through him he pouts?

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I'm a Carmelo fan because of the highlight reel stuff, but he's proving that you simply cannot build a team around him and expect to win a championship. That's why I would have liked him in Chicago. Derrick Rose would be able to captain the offense, and then Carmelo could just score when needed. Carmelo can't be your #1 option. His dynamic scoring is a hindrance to the overall goal.

On the other hand, with the shift to a PG star driven league, it would seem he has several options.


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And he wouldnt have to be necesarily a second banana. I mean, these PG stars are murky. I dont think Blake Griffin feels like a second option.


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I'm a Carmelo fan because of the highlight reel stuff, but he's proving that you simply cannot build a team around him and expect to win a championship. That's why I would have liked him in Chicago. Derrick Rose would be able to captain the offense, and then Carmelo could just score when needed. Carmelo can't be your #1 option. His dynamic scoring is a hindrance to the overall goal.

But hasnt he pretty much proven he has no interest in being a second banana? that if the offense doesnt run through him he pouts?

Yep. And that's the problem. I don't know if it's pride or lack of self-awareness, but he'd never concede to being a part of the problem.

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Carmelo Anthony is not the Knicks problem. They won 54 games this year. What is interesting about the Carmelo debate is that the person that he was essentially brought to New York to play with has been a no show in three straight playoff series. He Earns 20 million a year and at this point he is essentially stealing money. That is Amare Stoudamire. Everyone rips Carmelo Anthony yet the Knicks lost to a better team. When you put another All Star with him or you put a team around him that is supposed to win then you have an argument. Look at the supporting cast around him. Before the season no one would have predicted that the Knicks would have been the second seed in the East. Nothing like revisionist history. Lebron James had to play with 2 top ten players (at the time) in order to win a championship. Look at how terrible Durant looked when there was no Westbrook around to take pressure off of him. The guy has been in the playoffs in each season that he has been in the NBA and he competes on nightly basis yet he is criticized for the Knicks failures. Has anyone looked at the history of the franchise. Stoudamire was celebrated for getting them to .500 a few years ago. It is unfair because how much is Stoudamire ever discussed in any of this. He has been hurt in each of last three playoff series and his contract means that you can't move him.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:12 am 
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long time guy,
You don't seem to grasp the concept of this thread still. It's not that it is Carmelo's "fault". It's that it has once again been proven you can't build a team around Carmelo and expect to be relevant. Yeah, you might win some meaningless regular season games but what does that really matter? The Knicks were never a threat to win a title this year.

Now, there is no shame in being Carmelo Anthony. He's really good at scoring and could be a valuable piece of a championship team but he's not the main piece of a championship team and never will be. That's why when people like Goff were screaming to ignore Lin and get the ball to "Carmel Mother effing Anthony" it was dumb. You need to build a team. Teams are going to spend years in successful irrelevance until they figure out that just getting the ball to him and letting him do his thing won't work.

To put it another way, if Carmelo isn't to "blame" then that is more proof that he really isn't the type of player you want to build around.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:15 am 
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long time guy wrote:
When you put another All Star with him

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Any more excuses you care to offer? Are you related to Melo? I've never seen so much blind defense for someone.

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