You have a weird understanding of great.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Quintana has actually shown me something. Maybe it's a fetish for changing-up throwing lefty soft tossers, but it brings to mind such beloved hurlers of my youth

John Tudor
Bob Ojeda
Jimmy Key
Fernando Valenzuela

et. al.

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1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

That's alot of the starters from RBI baseball right there

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He had such a proven track record.

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He didn't have to end up being great but I'd hope KW could at least find someone with the possibility of greatness. I'd say a guy with no managerial experience who you had to talk into taking the job isn't going to have the drive to be great. Despite what Keyser thinks, that sure seems to be playing out to be true.

Keyser "in three years"? Ventura doesn't seem to plan to be here beyond year 3.

This is mostly an academic exercise as really, I cannot point to him being a game changer either way.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The Tigers have the lowest amount of Caught Stealing in baseball. 3 times.

Terry Francona can start putting together a compelling argument that he is one of those managers who makes a difference. I believe he was in the running for the job when JR "suggested" Ozzie. If not, he was certainly in the Sox organization and available to them.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

If you think Ventura is a BAD manager, you've never seen a bad manager.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Why do you think he won't be here past 3 years? Because he didn't jump at the chance to sign a 1 year extenstion? Do you think that would have been a good move on his part? Despite the friendly relationship it's still a business decision. Why sign a 1 year extension when he can wait and get 3-5 years?

Ventura doesn't strike as the kind of guy to start something then walk away from it. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he has a very long career as a major league manager.

Hmmmm...yes, I do think that is a good indicator. It's not like he responded with a demand for a three year extension. His response was pretty much indicated that he doesn't know where he will be in a couple of years. When you couple that with him not being interested in the job to begin with, I think you can make a much stronger argument that he is a reluctant manager rather than a guy who will be at the job for the long term.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

A manager can quit at any time.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

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Why quit when you can just not care, and still collect paychecks?

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I don't think thats a fan. I think that is actually Terry Bevington.

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I agree with this. And I would add if you think Ventura was/is a GREAT hire then you've never seen a great hire.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Exactly. So maybe he does care and wanted a better contract. Or one from a better team.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

In that photo Bevington is the guy on the right. They mixed up their shirts.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

We shall see.