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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:37 pm 
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He looked pretty slick out there, would like to see him used more on the shootout during the regular season!

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So Michael Frolik is now the only player in NHL history to score 2 playoff penalty show goals. He had one in 20011 -VS- the Canucks & then the one tonight.

Not to take anything away from Frolik, but I think entire decades went by in this league where you could decapitate a guy on a breakaway and still not have a penalty shot. The refs can't decide the outcome!

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This series may be looked back on as the key series in another Hawks Cup Championship. Great win!!!


Way to take a hard stance there SHARK.


Yeah, well since they need to close it out first (no certainty, although I like their chances) I think it's a bit early to declare it over. Further, they will need to win 2 more series' after the Detroit series, so that's another componant that is not a certainty. But after being down 3-1, I can see them closing this out and then winning the next 2 series' with greater dominance and looking back on this as the key series for them in the run. I certainly hope thats how it plays out.

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So Michael Frolik is now the only player in NHL history to score 2 playoff penalty show goals. He had one in 20011 -VS- the Canucks & then the one tonight.

Not to take anything away from Frolik, but I think entire decades went by in this league where you could decapitate a guy on a breakaway and still not have a penalty shot. The refs can't decide the outcome!


The refs did not decide the outcome. A penalty shot was awarded because a penalty was committed. The goalie still had a chance to stop it on the penalty shot. The idea that you shouldn't enforce the rules of your sport because it's not typically done should be no excuse.

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Not sure but I think you're missing my sarcasm about the stupidity of Playoff Officiating.

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So Michael Frolik is now the only player in NHL history to score 2 playoff penalty show goals. He had one in 20011 -VS- the Canucks & then the one tonight.

Not to take anything away from Frolik, but I think entire decades went by in this league where you could decapitate a guy on a breakaway and still not have a penalty shot. The refs can't decide the outcome!


The refs did not decide the outcome. A penalty shot was awarded because a penalty was committed. The goalie still had a chance to stop it on the penalty shot. The idea that you shouldn't enforce the rules of your sport because it's not typically done should be no excuse.


Pretty sure ol' CH was mocking the way it used to be called.

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Doc & Eddie are great. I also like Pierre between the benches.

Boland better be a healthy scratch in game 7.

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Doc & Eddie are great. I also like Pierre between the benches.


What is it you like? Doc Emrick going 20,000 leagues up his own ass on mundane plays? Pierre's longing gazes at his favorite players?

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Yeah, well since they need to close it out first (no certainty, although I like their chances) I think it's a bit early to declare it over. Further, they will need to win 2 more series' after the Detroit series, so that's another componant that is not a certainty.
Can you please elaborate more on this?

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So if it hits the post its icing?

If it hits the post, it wouldn't have crossed the goal line. The sequence of events for icing is crossing the center line, crossing the goal line (outside the goal, natch), and being touched by an opposing skater. It can be cancelled if the linesman judges that an opposing skater could have played the puck ahead of the goal line but dogged it to draw the call. I would have made that call late when it looked like a Red Wing was just kinda letting it clear.

Seems like its not in line with the spirit of the rule, if there is an empty net.


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I don't know a whole lot about hockey, the last two games were great. I see all the redwings fans are angry about the penalty shot. Pierre McGuire said it was absolutely a penalty and the right call, a gutsy call by the refs. So was it a legit penalty or Detroit has a right to be upset.?

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Penalty is a penalty. Can't say I wouldn't be upset had it gone the other way though.

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I don't know a whole lot about hockey, the last two games were great. I see all the redwings fans are angry about the penalty shot. Pierre McGuire said it was absolutely a penalty and the right call, a gutsy call by the refs. So was it a legit penalty or Detroit has a right to be upset.?

Fuck'em let them be upset. Just saw the replay, it was a fucking slash across the hands that denied a scoring chance on a breakaway. Pretty clear cut. Even if they dont award the penalty shot , Hawks still get a power play out of it and whose to say they wouldnt have scored on it anyway. Sour grapes if Detroit fans think the call shouldnt have been made. Stop blowing 3rd period leads .

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Got a good laugh at the Detroit fans crying about penalties in the comment sections of the online articles of the Detroit Free Press. Stuff like "the only reason the Hawks won was bc of the penalties" and whining about conspiracies to force a game 7 lol. How about all of the slashing and interference that has Not been called?

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I don't know a whole lot about hockey, the last two games were great. I see all the redwings fans are angry about the penalty shot. Pierre McGuire said it was absolutely a penalty and the right call, a gutsy call by the refs. So was it a legit penalty or Detroit has a right to be upset.?

Fuck'em let them be upset. Just saw the replay, it was a fucking slash across the hands that denied a scoring chance on a breakaway. Pretty clear cut. Even if they dont award the penalty shot , Hawks still get a power play out of it and whose to say they wouldnt have scored on it anyway. Sour grapes if Detroit fans think the call shouldnt have been made. Stop blowing 3rd period leads .


I forget the exact #'s, but there was that stat saying Howards goals by period during the playoffs have been something like 6 in the 1st, 8 in the 2nd and 20 in the 3rd.

It was absolutely a penalty. One that was called 5 years ago? Definitely not, but a no doubter in the spirit of the rules.

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With the heavily favored Hawks shitting the bed to start the series, the narrative was to rightfully bash Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp for not filling the net. Well, for the entire series so far:

Datsyuk: 1G, 1A
Franzen: 1G, 2A
Zetterberg: 0G, 3A (Two of those assists were in Game 2)

Detroit's big guys have done even less. Their secondary scorers Brunner, Nyquist, Cleary etc are doing the damage.


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With the heavily favored Hawks shitting the bed to start the series, the narrative was to rightfully bash Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp for not filling the net. Well, for the entire series so far:

Datsyuk: 1G, 1A
Franzen: 1G, 2A
Zetterberg: 0G, 3A (Two of those assists were in Game 2)

Detroit's big guys have done even less. Their secondary scorers Brunner, Nyquist, Cleary etc are doing the damage.


It's a fair point, but the Hawks have expectations, while Detroit barely made the playoffs.

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I don't know a whole lot about hockey, the last two games were great. I see all the redwings fans are angry about the penalty shot. Pierre McGuire said it was absolutely a penalty and the right call, a gutsy call by the refs. So was it a legit penalty or Detroit has a right to be upset.?


It was absolutely a slash. The only question was whether Colaiacovo was able to position himself between Frolik and Howard in doing so, and I think it was pretty clear he did not, ergo, penalty shot.

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Conditions for a penalty shot to be awarded:

There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from behind. They are:
(i) The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier’s own blue line);
(ii) The infraction must have been committed from behind;
(iii) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and he was denied a “more” reasonable scoring opportunity due to the foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded);
(iv) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the goalkeeper.


By that, clearly the right call was made.

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A guy at work correctly pointed out that we got screwed on the goalie interference call in a prior game. So even if you thought it was not a penalty shot, the goal impacting "bad" calls are now tied up.

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I just watched the video on the penalty shot call again. I am no where near the hockey expert that CH is, but I would think most refs would not have called that a penalty shot. I say that because the severity of the penalty was much lower than a typical call where a guy gets dragged down or something more violent. By the rule posted above, I agree it seems to fit although there is some wiggle room in point 3.

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It doesn't have to be a demonstrably violent takedown. He whacked Frolik across the hands on a breakaway. That call gets made 9 times out of 10 in the regular season, 1 time out of 10 with Playoff Officiating™. I'm glad they chose to call the game.

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Puck Daddy wrote a surprisingly literate piece today on playoff officiating. The balance between that should never get called/let the boys play etc. I tend to be in the favor of call the game as it's written in the rules so everyone knows the playing field and you eliminate a lot bitching by people's fans.

The problem lies with that there's by 10-15 times of Toews just getting molested and nothing is called so when a comparatively inauspicious slash on Frolik is awarded a PS, it just feels inconsistent.

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Puck Daddy wrote a surprisingly literate piece today on playoff officiating. The balance between that should never get called/let the boys play etc. I tend to be in the favor of call the game as it's written in the rules so everyone knows the playing field and you eliminate a lot bitching by people's fans.

The problem lies with that there's by 10-15 times of Toews just getting molested and nothing is called so when a comparatively inauspicious slash on Frolik is awarded a PS, it just feels inconsistent.

Yea, I definitely see the Wings fan POV. You had the blatant holding of I believe Sharp's stick and the high stick on Kane (same exact type Toews got called in game 3 with) in the 1st period let go. And even the Datsyuk interference has been allowed all series and is finally called.


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If penalties were to be called like they were in the regular season than Zetterberg would get a penalty on every shift. He's a slimey little shit. Always a hook, slash, spear, crosscheck, interference, etc. He's getting away with everything this post-season.


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Tidbits: Bickell with more playoff goals than Kane and Toews combined. Bolland 6 games played, zero points , minus 3, 14 penalty minutes. Seabrook 11 games played, 1 point, Minus 6. Crawford .935 save %, so much for eveyone worrying about him going in to the playoffs.

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Bickell must be re-signed as he is the only big body guy who is willing to play in from of the net. Boland, Stalberg & maybe Seabrook will be gone next year. And someone must be brought in to help with the PP & with Crawford's glove.

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Bickell must be re-signed as he is the only big body guy who is willing to play in from of the net. Boland, Stalberg & maybe Seabrook will be gone next year. And someone must be brought in to help with the PP & with Crawford's glove.



Bickell is becoming too expensive this offseason. Would like to bring him back but they might not be able to afford him. Sincerely doubt Seabrook is going anywhere. He's been good the last two games and while yes he had a rough season, his cap hit is still decently reasonable for what we've seen him capable of.

PP blows. Stan needs to fire Q's buddies and make his own hire. Won't happen.

Crawford has the 3rd best SV% and 2nd best GAA in the playoffs. This he's not good enough thing needs to stop.

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I'd rather have Bickell than Stalberg. Stalberg is just a bumslayer.

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