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I know because I understand the love, grace and forgiveness that God offers through Jesus Christ and how he changed my life and the lives of others. I believe that he came as a man, was crucified, died and rose again. The hope I have in the resurrection of the dead is because of Christ. The fact that humanity is sinful, headed for death and in need of a Savior is why I believe in Christ. No other religion makes any sense in light of that and no other religion offers its God as a sacrifice for the followers of that religion.

Typically the way you know whether a religion is a cult is if the group denies the Deity of Jesus Christ and that he was the one and only Son of God.

2 John 1:7: "I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

Cult leaders often twist the Bible. There are other aspects such as groups with strong leaders that demand their followers must obey their every word. In other cases there are things like polygamy going on in the group where the followers must all sleep with the leader. There are all sorts of cults. Generally you can look at what a group believes, look at the Bible and know if it is or is not a cult.


It really sounds like you're saying that Christianity is the right religion because you like it more than the alternatives.

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Typically the way you know whether a religion is a cult is if the group denies the Deity of Jesus Christ and that he was the one and only Son of God.


But how do you know that?

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You know the exact passage I'm referring to Ephesians where faith is called a gift and you chose to ignore it.


"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast."

These verses say that salvation is a gift that you cannot earn by good deeds for salvation comes by faith. No doubt salvation is a gift, but faith is not the gift. Salvation is the gift. Faith is how you receive the gift. To say that faith is the gift is to suggest something else that what this passage suggests.


You aren't the first person to interpret the bible to suit your personal view.

You might want to be careful in the future before you condemn others that do the same thing.

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You aren't the first person to interpret the bible to suit your personal view.

You might want to be careful in the future before you condemn others that do the same thing.


My point here is that if you believe Jesus is the way to heaven you cannot believe there are other ways or roads to heaven because that contradicts Jesus' own teaching. The fact that God requires the death of his Son to accept anyone should suggest to us that if there was another way Jesus wouldn't have to die. People don't think they need to be saved because many people don't believe hell exists. But Jesus died for the sin of all humanity and is the only way to the Father for Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Mormons, Atheists, Agnostics, New Agers and everyone else. I'm not the judge of who gets in to heaven and who doesn't, but we do a disservice to the gospel if we start trying to make another way when there is only one way.

Jesus says in Mathew 7:13-14: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Jesus and the salvation that comes from his death is most definitely a gift, but faith is our response to that gift. Faith is not a gift that some people have and some people don't have. Faith is a choice. Jesus says over and over that he is the only way to the Father.

Here is a section about the Deity of Christ and John the Baptist. It specifically references the Jews rejection of Christ and the fact that he gave the right to be called the children of God to everyone who believes in him.

John 1:1-13: "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God."

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My point is really simple.

When we as individuals get to decide our own interpretations of the bible, then you have no moral justification or authority to deny someone else the same thing.

With that in mind, you have no basis for criticizing those that try and use the bible to defend gay marriage for starters. They just choose their own interpretation. Just like you do.

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I don't understand WZ twitter hate.

It is what it is


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Seacrest wrote:
My point is really simple.

When we as individuals get to decide our own interpretations of the bible, then you have no moral justification or authority to deny someone else the same thing.

With that in mind, you have no basis for criticizing those that try and use the bible to defend gay marriage for starters. They just choose their own interpretation. Just like you do.


Honest question: is it possible to NOT have your own interpretation of the Bible (or anything for that matter)? It seems to me that our own subjective reality does not allow for an objective interpretation of anything, let alone a 2,000 year old document.

I'm not defending Mini Ditka, just so we're clear.

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I don't understand WZ twitter hate.

It is what it is


actually it isn't what it is. it's heavily used as a media outlet, and rarely is it an accurate or useful tool. it's a simplified form of communication that takes on a bigger presence simply because people rely more on it. none of the 10 stories that were broken in that link provided by veganfan *had* to be broken on twitter. and the world wasn't a better place because of it.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I don't understand WZ twitter hate.

It is what it is


actually it isn't what it is. it's heavily used as a media outlet, and rarely is it an accurate or useful tool. it's a simplified form of communication that takes on a bigger presence simply because people rely more on it. none of the 10 stories that were broken in that link provided by veganfan *had* to be broken on twitter. and the world wasn't a better place because of it.

Yeah see you're looking for more than I am

I see it as it is a way to see peoples immediate reactions to things which is kinda interesting during games, debates, etc

That's good enough


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i like reflection more than reflex...when it comes to news. opinions are almost always going to be more entertaining as knee-jerk reactions. i'm more firing on twitter being used as a news source and whatnot.

as fodder...well, it's pretty much like this place. i think i once said twitter is the new message board or something like that. the next incarnation.


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W_Z wrote:
i like reflection more than reflex...when it comes to news. opinions are almost always going to be more entertaining as knee-jerk reactions. i'm more firing on twitter being used as a news source and whatnot.

Its good as an arranger of news stories from other source. That's as far as Id go on news


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with 140 characers they're really more just headlines. and those you can get from google news, yahoo, etc. and headlines can be really misleading and/or sensationalized. so you're still not really getting "news". but it's being treated as such.


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with 140 characers they're really more just headlines. and those you can get from google news, yahoo, etc. and headlines can be really misleading and/or sensationalized. so you're still not really getting "news". but it's being treated as such.

Its not news

Unless the news is "Knee jerk reaction hilarious!!"


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I don't go to twitter for news. I find news there at times, but I go to twitter to read peoples reactions to things going on in the sports world and other areas. I doubt very many people use twitter for news.

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I don't go to twitter for news. I find news there at times, but I go to twitter to read peoples reactions to things going on in the sports world and other areas. I doubt very many people use twitter for news.


I would say it's easier to alert people to breaking news over Twitter than it is over a website. Often times you'll read a tweet about some breaking story, with a hyperlink to a website for more details. So in terms of finding out about something, Twitter can be useful if you're following the right people. As W_Z mentioned, it's obviously not a great place for details. But the best tweets also let you know where to find those details.

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RFDC wrote:
I don't go to twitter for news. I find news there at times, but I go to twitter to read peoples reactions to things going on in the sports world and other areas. I doubt very many people use twitter for news.


and that's exactly what bernstein did.

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I think it is stupid, and wish Bernsie would leave topics like that alone. He is obviously welcome to his own opinion but just wish he wouldn't be such a jerk in how he communicates it.


so is he not allowed to tweet things about anything but sports? that was my point. with twitter, it's a free for all. who cares?

and people do use twitter for news. a lot of news outlets have twitter accounts. news breaks through twitter all the time.


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My point is really simple.

When we as individuals get to decide our own interpretations of the bible, then you have no moral justification or authority to deny someone else the same thing.

With that in mind, you have no basis for criticizing those that try and use the bible to defend *** marriage for starters. They just choose their own interpretation. Just like you do.


Certainly people do have different translations. What I was articulating was basically a general Evangelical position that salvation comes through faith by trusting in Christ as Savior. Nothing I wrote I inherently come up with on my own. Do you believe that people don't have a choice? Do you believe that there are other roads to heaven? Do you believe that telling other people about Jesus is one of the central goals of Christianity? Because a lot of people think that personal faith is just personal and shouldn't be shared with anyone because everyone should find their own way.

There are different schools of theology no doubt and there may be wiggle room on some passages, but the Bible is absolutely crystal clear on a lot of things. But I personally tend to take it literal when the Bible speaks in literal terms and figurative when it speaks in figurative terms. What you're talking about is people who hijack the Bible to say all sorts of random things such as, "Well, Jesus supports *** marriage, but Paul didn't. So Paul is wrong and Jesus is right." Or they say the Bible condones slavery because Paul mentions slaves in his letters, which were part of the Roman culture. Those people are often not even Christians of any form. They just use the Bible to justify their positions.

There are Christian churches that point to the Bible for all sorts of weird things such as snake handling, women wearing head coverings, women must wears skirts and long hair and all of those things do not have anything to do with whether someone is a Christian.

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Does the board censor "gay" or is Mini Ditka just weird?

EDIT: gay

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I don't go to twitter for news. I find news there at times, but I go to twitter to read peoples reactions to things going on in the sports world and other areas. I doubt very many people use twitter for news.


and that's exactly what bernstein did.

RFDC wrote:
I think it is stupid, and wish Bernsie would leave topics like that alone. He is obviously welcome to his own opinion but just wish he wouldn't be such a jerk in how he communicates it.


so is he not allowed to tweet things about anything but sports? that was my point. with twitter, it's a free for all. who cares?

and people do use twitter for news. a lot of news outlets have twitter accounts. news breaks through twitter all the time.


I never said that wasn't what he did.

I never said he isn't allowed to tweet about anything he wants.

You are reading too much into my comments. I was asked MY opinion on his tweet and I gave it. In MY opinion I would rather he not tweet about such things. But what MY opinion is does not matter. He is allowed to tweet whatever he wants.

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Does the board censor "gay" or is Mini Ditka just weird?

EDIT: gay

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W_Z wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I don't go to twitter for news. I find news there at times, but I go to twitter to read peoples reactions to things going on in the sports world and other areas. I doubt very many people use twitter for news.


and that's exactly what bernstein did.

RFDC wrote:
I think it is stupid, and wish Bernsie would leave topics like that alone. He is obviously welcome to his own opinion but just wish he wouldn't be such a jerk in how he communicates it.


so is he not allowed to tweet things about anything but sports? that was my point. with twitter, it's a free for all. who cares?

and people do use twitter for news. a lot of news outlets have twitter accounts. news breaks through twitter all the time.

So it IS news?

Its headlines

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I'd love to know what the "right" questions are that must be asked to properly dissect fun cinematic pablum like Die Hard.



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Watching "Die Hard" with daughter for the first time is so great. She's asking all the right questions, and loving all of it.


I'd love to know what the "right" questions are that must be asked to properly dissect fun cinematic pablum like Die Hard.



Daddy, is Hans Gruber hitting all his marks? What is Karl's WAR? When will Bruce Willis dong-whip the terrorists?


Haha! Bernstein is such a douche. It's fucking Die Hard.

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I dint gert why you're OK w Facebook but hate twitter


facebook is a self-contained social network. that medium is rarely used for news. you don't hear what people say through facebook. twitter is public. you don't require a twitter account to read anybody's tweets.

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You are reading too much into my comments. I was asked MY opinion on his tweet and I gave it. In MY opinion I would rather he not tweet about such things. But what MY opinion is does not matter. He is allowed to tweet whatever he wants.


yes, but you're acting as though he can't step outside the realm of sports opinions, which is ludicrous given the medium of twitter which is a total free for all. this whole thread was created because of a tweet, and somehow that made him a douchebag of the week candidate. was that really necessary?

was it necessary for us to be subjected to another mini ditka derailment?

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yes, but you're acting as though he can't step outside the realm of sports opinions, which is ludicrous given the medium of twitter which is a total free for all.

No actually I am not, but don't let that get in the way of your rant on things.

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Watching "Die Hard" with daughter for the first time is so great. She's asking all the right questions, and loving all of it.


I'd love to know what the "right" questions are that must be asked to properly dissect fun cinematic pablum like Die Hard.



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Honest question: is it possible to NOT have your own interpretation of the Bible (or anything for that matter)? It seems to me that our own subjective reality does not allow for an objective interpretation of anything, let alone a 2,000 year old document.

I'm not defending Mini Ditka, just so we're clear.


You're right about our subjectivities influencing what we read out of, or into, a text. But for fields like law, literature, and religion, there are--to varying degrees--hermeneutical traditions that are thought to restrict and clarify the potentialities of any reading of a given text. Scholars and specialists are aware of these hermeneutical processes, but that doesn't mean every reading is necessarily immune from error, although some may disagree.

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