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 Post subject: Starlin-o-meter
PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:16 pm 
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Can he reach .330?

If not, what the fuck?


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He's a poor defensive player at one of the most important defensive positions and if he can't even hit .280 he's pretty much useless. Trade him.

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badrogue17 wrote:
He's a poor defensive player at one of the most important defensive positions and if he can't even hit .280 he's pretty much useless. Trade him.

Well let's not trade him at his lowest value

I'm not sure what changed but he needs to figure it out

Need a .330 obp

If he wants to bat .320 and walk ten times a year tats fine but can't make outs over 70% of the time


Credit Bernstein with his article on this. He's right


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I don't believe he will ever approach .320 or even .300 again . Think we've already seen his offensive ceiling . If he was above average to good defensively I wouldn't have a problem with his low OPS but seems like he hasn't made any adjustments to how they pitch him now. Hopefully he can get hot and so he is somewhat tradable . I think Jedstein would love to dump him

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I don't believe he will ever approach .320 or even .300 again . Think we've already seen his offensive ceiling


He is 23 years old. How can you say this?

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 Post subject: Re: Starlin-o-meter
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This might be a case where Sabermetrics she us something

What's other difference between the first 1200 pa and the last two years ?


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HBP

Had one yesterday too

At least he's on base


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So far his career is similar to Gordon Beckham offensively.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
So far his career is similar to Gordon Beckham offensively.

uh no.

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Uh, in terms of how he was hyped and how he's performed since his rookie year, yes.

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Uh, in terms of how he was hyped and how he's performed since his rookie year, yes.

You are wrong Frank. It is cool, you will bounce back.

Castro has had 3 solid years in a row. He is struggling this year.

Beckham has had 3 bad years in a row.

No comparison.

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I don't believe he will ever approach .320 or even .300 again . Think we've already seen his offensive ceiling


He is 23 years old. How can you say this?

I just dont see him getting any better than what we've seen from him already. He'll need 200 plus hits a year to be around .300 because he doesnt walk. I guess .285 , 12 to 15 HR's , 30 doubles is a decent offensive season but it seems like hes a bit of a bumslayer or doesnt get the hits when they count. I dont think he's improving as a hitter and and just see him getting worse. Makes too many dumb mistakes still both in the field and on the bases. You think he'll ever approach the .308 he hit 2 years ago based on the way he's been going since?

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badrogue17 wrote:
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I don't believe he will ever approach .320 or even .300 again . Think we've already seen his offensive ceiling


He is 23 years old. How can you say this?

I just dont see him getting any better than what we've seen from him already. He'll need 200 plus hits a year to be around .300 because he doesnt walk. I guess .285 , 12 to 15 HR's , 30 doubles is a decent offensive season but it seems like hes a bit of a bumslayer or doesnt get the hits when they count. I dont think he's improving as a hitter and and just see him getting worse. Makes too many dumb mistakes still both in the field and on the bases. You think he'll ever approach the .308 he hit 2 years ago based on the way he's been going since?

I don't know whether he will or not, I would lean towards saying he will. But to say he just isn't going to at 23 years of age just seems WAY premature to me.

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He'll be fine.

Whats fine in your book? what do you think his averages should / will be?

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 Post subject: Re: Starlin-o-meter
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Ive wondered about this and Ill research it a bit, but it seems like a lot of teams count on hitters developing patience. I dont seem to recall a lot of wild swingers turning selective. I mean sure you get incrementally better.


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immessedup17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ive wondered about this and Ill research it a bit, but it seems like a lot of teams count on hitters developing patience. I dont seem to recall a lot of wild swingers turning selective. I mean sure you get incrementally better.

I really don't care if he develops patience if he can just go back to the shorter stride / shorter swings. He could rifle balls out to right field at will it seemed in his first three years...he isn't doing that any longer.

Im fine if he's hitting 307, but the margin for error will always be razor thin if he doesnt develop some patience.


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BA down to .253 , awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Starlin-o-meter
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badrogue17 wrote:
BA down to .253 , awful.

Two stats to think about

1 He's seeing more pitches per ab than ever

2 his first pitch swing % is 21% Last three years its been 31, 27, 31



I think the attempt at patience is backfiring


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He's seeing more pitches because he's striking out more and not getting a hit early in the count.


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KDdidit wrote:
He's seeing more pitches because he's striking out more and not getting a hit early in the count.

Yuuuup

Its not a huge jump but he's obviously tentative on the first pitch


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Last I looked, he was also walking less even though he was seeing more pitches.


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He is scaring me but hey it's early June. He could easily crank it up again and be a .280/15/70 guy again which is fine. The lack of power is weird though given he hit 14 last year with 78 RBI.


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 Post subject: Re: Starlin-o-meter
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I said a few years ago that all the experience with losing teams who didn't care would ultimately have an impact on his development. Strong clubhouse leadership would have straightened him out. That cannot come from a guy his age like Rizzo. You would have hoped Soriano would have provided it for the cost of his services.

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They need to get him away from Adolfo Soriano. I've heard/read a number of places he stays out real late.... not a good combo with all the day games. Send him to AAA for a month to straighten out his head and swing.

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I wish Castro would have worked as hard as Soriano did at getting better on defense. I don't blame Soriano for Castro not hitting. A baseball player staying out late? That never happens.


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 Post subject: Re: Starlin-o-meter
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There's a guy that just got out of jail that led a decade in hits that stayed out all night, maybe the Cubs should call him.


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This is karma for all the Gordon Beckham bashing.

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Shit, at least Beckham had a good glove when he couldn't hit.


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