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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:41 am 
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Yeah, whatever Im not getting into this. The Sox have been better post WW2. That's true.


I just think from the longview people look at the title droughts of the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs and think losing teams.


But it's wrong unless you think winning 88 games and finishing second is the same as winning 65 games and finishing last.

Its not wrong. I would guess most people across the country dont care about the difference.


And you are picking a specific 50 year stretch and ignoring the other one because in your opinion it favors your team.


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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:47 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Cubs 6 ('84, '89, '98, '03, '07, '08)
Sox 5 ('83, '93, '00, '05, '08)


It's not just about playoff appearances. The Sox have been competitive for the majority of seasons during his life. The Cubs have not. Those are facts.

No they arent.

He was 5 years old when he first saw the Sox finish with a .500 record and in his lifetime they have been over .500 13 times Under .500 11 times and .500 one time

And other than those 4 division titles (he wasnt born in 83) the White Sox have been within 5 games of first 2 times.

So, in his life the White Sox have been competitive (first place or within 5 games of first place) 6 times in his life

EDIT/ADD: The Cubs have been over .500 9 times in his life and under 16 times. 5 division titles and one second place finish 5 games back. So 6 times they've been competitive


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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
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I would guess most people across the country dont care about the difference.
Why do people make fun of the Pirates then?

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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:31 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Yeah, whatever Im not getting into this. The Sox have been better post WW2. That's true.


I just think from the longview people look at the title droughts of the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs and think losing teams.


But it's wrong unless you think winning 88 games and finishing second is the same as winning 65 games and finishing last.

Its not wrong. I would guess most people across the country dont care about the difference.


And you are picking a specific 50 year stretch and ignoring the other one because in your opinion it favors your team.


No. I'm picking a specific 50 year stretch because it's the most recent 50 years. Let's shorten it up to 1990-present.

Since 1990 the Sox have been over .500 fifteen times. The were .500 once and under .500 five times. Two of the seasons they were under .500 they won 80 games. Over those 22 seasons they only won less than 79 games three times.

Over that same stretch the Cubs were under .500 fourteen times,topping out with 60-some wins in many of those seasons.

Come on, Bryan.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:08 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Yeah, whatever Im not getting into this. The Sox have been better post WW2. That's true.


I just think from the longview people look at the title droughts of the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs and think losing teams.


But it's wrong unless you think winning 88 games and finishing second is the same as winning 65 games and finishing last.

Its not wrong. I would guess most people across the country dont care about the difference.


And you are picking a specific 50 year stretch and ignoring the other one because in your opinion it favors your team.


No. I'm picking a specific 50 year stretch because it's the most recent 50 years. Let's shorten it up to 1990-present.

Since 1990 the Sox have been over .500 fifteen times. The were .500 once and under .500 five times. Two of the seasons they were under .500 they won 80 games. Over those 22 seasons they only won less than 79 games three times.

Over that same stretch the Cubs were under .500 fourteen times,topping out with 60-some wins in many of those seasons.

Come on, Bryan.

Come on what?

You said the Sox have been competitive his whole life and that's not true.

Now you're cutting off the three worst years of FF's life

Yes, the Sox have been better since 1990

Overall, the Sox, Red Sox, and Cubs were failures for the second half of the century

And yes, I believe making the playoffs or just missing is competitive.

I dont think a team that wins 79 games and finishes 12 games out is "competitive"


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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:11 am 
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I don't know exactly how old Favre Fan is, but don't tell me that teams winning 67 and 65 games who are out of it in June are the same as teams that hang around until September and finish around .500. With a few exceptions, the Sox have fielded competitive teams for his entire life. I don't see how you can argue about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets and Mets fans
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:16 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't know exactly how old Favre Fan is, but don't tell me that teams winning 67 and 65 games who are out of it in June are the same as teams that hang around until September and finish around .500. With a few exceptions, the Sox have fielded competitive teams for his entire life. I don't see how you can argue about that.

I just showed you the numbers. They are what they are.

He was born in 1986.

In 25 years the White Sox have been in first place or finished within 5 games, 6 times.


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