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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:03 pm 
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16 other guys too


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:05 pm 
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I guess Darwin Barney will find himself a spot on this years all-star team afterall...


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:06 pm 
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Gio is safe, I think


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:07 pm 
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Gio is safe, I think

Possibly

I wouldn't count on it either way


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Gonna need way more info than that!!!!!!!!!!!! You cant drop that kind of info and give me nothing

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bigfan wrote:
Gonna need way more info than that!!!!!!!!!!!! You cant drop that kind of info and give me nothing

http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-alex-rod ... is-clinic/


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bigfan wrote:
Gonna need way more info than that!!!!!!!!!!!! You cant drop that kind of info and give me nothing

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9301536


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:17 pm 
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I have said Braun was one of the best "pure" hitters I have ever seen!

This would coincide nicely with the highest levels of HGH ever seen in a drug test for MLB!

"If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly"

Line drive oppo HR's are not a thing you see on a regular basis!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:23 pm 
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I have said Braun was one of the best "pure" hitters I have ever seen!

This would coincide nicely with the highest levels of HGH ever seen in a drug test for MLB!

"If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly"

Line drive oppo HR's are not a thing you see on a regular basis!


It was his levels of free testosterone that were elevated.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:26 pm 
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This is bad for baseball. Testing is working though

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:27 pm 
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So where have the home runs been, then?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:30 pm 
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Irish Boy wrote:
So where have the home runs been, then?

Braun and Cano hit a ton

Crz hit like 8 in the playoffs a couple year back

And opening it up to people not on the list, Joe Bautista is pretty obvious


Maybe its just that the top guys aren't going it


Or, they aren't juicing the ball like they used to


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
So where have the home runs been, then?

Braun and Cano hit a ton

Crz hit like 8 in the playoffs a couple year back

And opening it up to people not on the list, Joe Bautista is pretty obvious


Maybe its just that the top guys aren't going it


Or, they aren't juicing the ball like they used to

I'm talking about the 60s and 70s, even the mid-50s. I thought that was all steroids. Now it turns out everyone is still on PEDs anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:34 pm 
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A Rod is going to lose $100M. He'll have a lot in common with Vick.

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all on the worst commishoner (sp) watch. he should be banned from the HOF


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:35 pm 
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Irish Boy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
So where have the home runs been, then?

Braun and Cano hit a ton

Crz hit like 8 in the playoffs a couple year back

And opening it up to people not on the list, Joe Bautista is pretty obvious


Maybe its just that the top guys aren't going it


Or, they aren't juicing the ball like they used to

I'm talking about the 60s and 70s, even the mid-50s. I thought that was all steroids. Now it turns out everyone is still on PEDs anyway.


So this makes Bonds a HoFer?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:37 pm 
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Irish Boy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
So where have the home runs been, then?

Braun and Cano hit a ton

Crz hit like 8 in the playoffs a couple year back

And opening it up to people not on the list, Joe Bautista is pretty obvious


Maybe its just that the top guys aren't going it


Or, they aren't juicing the ball like they used to

I'm talking about the 60s and 70s, even the mid-50s. I thought that was all steroids. Now it turns out everyone is still on PEDs anyway.

Not everybody and with no stringent testing they were going nuts back then

I'd guess its cut back by 50%


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:39 pm 
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there's probably one of these joints in every town!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:40 pm 
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I think by going after these guys in this way there are two angles. We might assume these guys are no longer using the junk and they are getting them for the past based on this guys past medical records etc. Or this is MLB's way to get the HGH type guys that they can't test for? I believe thig guy's biz was HGH and Synthetic T?

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So then lots of players are taking PEDs, but they don't really PE all that much?

This is getting absolutely stupid. But we've got a war on drugs to wage.

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Maybe poorly phrased with we might assume as in for my comment/thought. I really do not assume MLB is very clean at all.

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pittmike wrote:
Maybe poorly phrased with we might assume as in for my comment/thought. I really do not assume MLB is very clean at all.

Sorry, my comment wasn't in response to you, although it appears that way,

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:50 pm 
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Gonna need way more info than that!!!!!!!!!!!! You cant drop that kind of info and give me nothing

You could read any one of the 100 websites that are all running with the story. But that would make too much sense.


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Irish Boy wrote:
So then lots of players are taking PEDs, but they don't really PE all that much?

This is getting absolutely stupid. But we've got a war on drugs to wage.

Is it that crazy to think the usage was more exploratory and "let's try tis shit-esque" before the stringent testing was implemented


What's stupid? What are you saying?

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I hope IB isn't saying we should allow EVERY player to use whatever they want. That is silly. There is some benefit to them taking these drugs. That doesn't mean they have to put up video game numbers. There were many guys on steroids during the 90's that sucked or was just okay.

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If a guy wants to shoot up PCP before he goes to bat, more power (no pun intended) to him.


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I'm saying the game isn't worth the candle. Open it up completely. Let 'er rip. Repeal the laws. PEDs don't have the effect everyone seems to think they do anyway.

The only intellectually honest rationale for steroid prohibition I've ever heard is dangerousness. And we are guaranteeing that these things stay dangerous for longer than they would if legitimate scientists could work on these products out in the open.

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Irish Boy wrote:
I'm saying the game isn't worth the candle. Open it up completely. Let 'er rip. Repeal the laws. PEDs don't have the effect everyone seems to think they do anyway.

The only intellectually honest rationale for steroid prohibition I've ever heard is dangerousness. And we are guaranteeing that these things stay dangerous for longer than they would if legitimate scientists could work on these products out in the open.

I'd pay to see that freak show

I cat imagine Bonds head growth was healthy

But I like Old Tyme Baseball too


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Good, Braun deserves all the treatment we gave Bonds.

I hate to be the white guy who points out racial stuff, but white guys seem to get away with PED use much more than non-whites. McGuire, Giambi, Braun. The only real exception is Clemens, but that is because everyone hates him.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:25 pm 
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IB your idea would be TERRIBLE. Everyone isn't using something. Having a clean game is the best way to go. We're getting closer. The decline in video game numbers is evidence.


Bonds got hammered because he is an asshole. I don't believe race played a major role.

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