Just a discussion in my office.

Were taking guys at their best for the most part. Very few slam dunks though. Sandberg and Frank Thomas are the only ones we thought were obvious.

Some of the discussions

AJ or Carlton Fisk

Sosa, Ordonez, Baines or Dawson

Grace, Lee, or Konerko (Frank is the DH)

Ventrua or Ramirez?

What do you guys think?


C
1B
2B Sandberg
3B
SS
LF
CF
RF
DH Frank

SP Maddux
SP McDowell
SP
SP
SP

CP

I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily.

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Ya know, looking at the numbers you might be right.

I may overrate Ventura, I liked him as a kid.

the 162 game averages favor Ramirez though

I dont think ( based on his college career anyway) that Ventura ever lived up to his billing. He was a solid mlb player and put up good numbers but coming out of college I was expecting a career .300 hitter with multiple gold gloves .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

6 Gold Gloves and his defensive stats are impressive. But yeah, he was a pretty high prospect.

Didn't realize he won that many Gold Gloves.

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C fisk
1B grace
2B Sandberg
3B madlock
SS guillen
LF williams
CF lemon
RF dawson
DH Frank

SP Maddux
SP McDowell
SP jenkins
SP sutcliffe
SP wood

CP sutter

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I like it. I wouldnt have thought of Chet

Wood and Sutcliffe are awful selections for pitching.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I didnt see Wood, I wouldnt pick him

Whats the problem with Sutcliffe?

C Fisk
1B Thomas
2B Sandberg
SS Ozzie?
3B Ramirez
LF Soriano
CF Lance Johnson
RF Sosa

SP McDowell
SP Maddux
SP Buehrle
SP Sutcliffe
SP Hoyt

CP Lee Smith

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wilbur wood's gotta be on that team. you guys are nutz.

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Pretty sure Rogue thought you meant Kerry Wood.

Im not sure if Wilbur HAS to be on that team. He was discussed.


But its not that crazy to suggest there have been 5 better starters in the last 43 years

yeah it is, but I'm not going to argue about.

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Konerko over Grace
Ventura was way better with the glove than Ramirez was. Offense Ramirez was probably better
Dawson in RF, Ordonez in LF

SP Dennis Eckersely, Mark Buerhle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale

Closer is Lee Smith, Bobby Jenks 2nd

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I didnt realize his numbers were THAT good.

Yes, he's on the team for sure.

Dont be such a prick about it. Its a message board. This is what we do.

If you don't want to argue about that Wood or Kerry Wood, would you like to argue about Tiger Woods?

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Probably? No he was waaay better.

The gap between their offense and defense is similar


Surprised no one is taking the guy who hit 60 homeruns three times.

Truth be told I would take Dick Allen over both of them, but he played 1st for the most part with the Sox.

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I did think he meant Kerry and not Wilbur. Apologies Hatch. You can do better than Sutcliffe though. Beuhrle, Zambrano, Rick Reuschel just off top of my head.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Ventura would have more gold gloves but he caught the ass end of Ripken when they were giving popularity choices to him while he played 3rd. Also, another 3b guy blocked him but I am drawing a blank.

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Sutcliffe was 82-65 for the Cubs with an era in the mid 3's.

Not too shabby

C fisk
1B Banks
2B Sandberg
3B Ventura
SS guillen
LF williams
CF Lemon
RF Baines
DH Frank

SP Maddux
SP McDowell
SP jenkins
SP sutcliffe
SP Buehrle

CP Thigpen

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No Harold Baines love?

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Oh yeah that Boggs guy

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Oh and Ripken never won one at 3b I must have been thinking all-star

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sutcliffe is debatable. his 1984 was dominating and RPB did say PEAK. his numbers were hurt by his constantly being hurt. is that a pun?

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I mentioned him as one of the four

Nobody wants the guy who put up this line either

.328
64 Hr
160 RBI

weird how Sutcliffe was average on the Indians in the begginning of 84 and then just dominant on the cubs