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There is no reason polygamy should be illegal.


If we go down this road then the local/state/federal governments should end all marriage subsidies, tax breaks, credits and other accommodations.


THIS would solve the problem. Keep government out of defining "marriage." End the subsidies. Let the whack job Judeo-Christians do their thing privately. Discriminating against others is their bread and butter.




What the SCOTUS did today has been done numerous times by other societies since we began recording history.

It has yet to turn out well. This time will be NO exception.

And another quick check with recorded history shows that folks who disagree with Judeo-Christians are unable to let us be.

History ebbs and flows along the same paths and has done so for almost 6000 years.

This to shall pass.


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Yep... ever since the forming of the universe 6000 years ago, when man and dinosaur walked side by side.



Strawman.

Not what I said or believe. There is no argument against truth. It just is.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.

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There is no reason polygamy should be illegal.


If we go down this road then the local/state/federal governments should end all marriage subsidies, tax breaks, credits and other accommodations.


THIS would solve the problem. Keep government out of defining "marriage." End the subsidies. Let the whack job Judeo-Christians do their thing privately. Discriminating against others is their bread and butter.




What the SCOTUS did today has been done numerous times by other societies since we began recording history.

It has yet to turn out well. This time will be NO exception.

And another quick check with recorded history shows that folks who disagree with Judeo-Christians are unable to let us be.

History ebbs and flows along the same paths and has done so for almost 6000 years.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



He doesn't have a great track record handling actual thoughts of others very well.

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He doesn't have a great track record handling actual thoughts of others very well.


I guess I'm not on the board's most publicized "ignore list" anymore.

From the guy who casts insults like breaths. Self awareness. Catch it.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



You can end marriage subsidies whenever you want. It never factored into a decision that my wife and I ever made.

The Judeo-Christian way of life has worked betteer for more people then any other. Look at the areas of the world that have only been barely touched by it. Or where they are trying desperately to stamp it out. Start with China and India, and then work your way to any number of countries under sharia law presently.

Like I said, the truth just is.

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He doesn't have a great track record handling actual thoughts of others very well.


I guess I'm not on the board's most publicized "ignore list" anymore.

From the guy who casts insults like breaths. Self awareness. Catch it.



Find me a couple of instances where you've actually answered a simple question in a clear and full capacity.

You're not off, it's just I wanted to see your reaction to the issue and it has been predictably hapless and laughable. Thanks for the entertainment, deutschebank.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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He doesn't have a great track record handling actual thoughts of others very well.


I guess I'm not on the board's most publicized "ignore list" anymore.

From the guy who casts insults like breaths. Self awareness. Catch it.



Find me a couple of instances where you've actually answered a simple question in a clear and full capacity.

You're not off, it's just I wanted to see your reaction to the issue and it has been predictably hapless and laughable. Thanks for the entertainment, deutschebank.


He never does. It's usually an odd, trivial question or fact that has nothing to do with anything.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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He doesn't have a great track record handling actual thoughts of others very well.


I guess I'm not on the board's most publicized "ignore list" anymore.

From the guy who casts insults like breaths. Self awareness. Catch it.



Find me a couple of instances where you've actually answered a simple question in a clear and full capacity.

You're not off, it's just I wanted to see your reaction to the issue and it has been predictably hapless and laughable. Thanks for the entertainment, deutschebank.


Thanks for staying to true to form.

Thanks for continually reading my posts Don even when you claim not to.

I won't be dumbing down any answers for you or Keeping Score in the future though.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



You can end marriage subsidies whenever you want. It never factored into a decision that my wife and I ever made.

The Judeo-Christian way of life has worked betteer for more people then any other. Look at the areas of the world that have only been barely touched by it. Or where they are trying desperately to stamp it out. Start with China and India, and then work your way to any number of countries under sharia law presently.

Like I said, the truth just is.


So the only alternative to Judeo-Christian beliefs is Islam? Interesting... I never viewed my options this way. Have you ever thought about the fact that they're all bullshit? Or that certain premises they derive are worthwhile, but that the minutia is bullshit?

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You know what? Ignore my last post. It strays from my beliefs. I don't fucking care what anyone believes. If religion makes you happy, fine. But keep it to yourself! Stop trying to be moral arbiters. The book you believe so adamantly in is fine, if you want to believe it. I don't. Many don't. And nothing contained within it should be used to admonish or create laws or moral guidelines for any of us.

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It's a moot point because pedophiles infringe on the rights of others (like the right to grow up without being molested by a pedophile). Gays don't.


It's not a moot point because the theory you posit, is not always the case.



Can we get a few examples, Crest?


Still like some examples of how gays infringe on the rights of others as pedophiles do.


Thank you for a sane post in a sea of fucking nonsense.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



You can end marriage subsidies whenever you want. It never factored into a decision that my wife and I ever made.

The Judeo-Christian way of life has worked betteer for more people then any other. Look at the areas of the world that have only been barely touched by it. Or where they are trying desperately to stamp it out. Start with China and India, and then work your way to any number of countries under sharia law presently.

Like I said, the truth just is.


So the only alternative to Judeo-Christian beliefs is Islam? Interesting... I never viewed my options this way. Have you ever thought about the fact that they're all bullshit? Or that certain premises they derive are worthwhile, but that the minutia is bullshit?


Another strawman.

I wasn't aware that Islam was the predominant religion in China or India. You remember them, the countries that contain almost half of the world's population.

You don't want questions answered, you want to cast insults. That's DT's well established "thing" here.

Find your own.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



You can end marriage subsidies whenever you want. It never factored into a decision that my wife and I ever made.

The Judeo-Christian way of life has worked betteer for more people then any other. Look at the areas of the world that have only been barely touched by it. Or where they are trying desperately to stamp it out. Start with China and India, and then work your way to any number of countries under sharia law presently.

Like I said, the truth just is.


So the only alternative to Judeo-Christian beliefs is Islam? Interesting... I never viewed my options this way. Have you ever thought about the fact that they're all bullshit? Or that certain premises they derive are worthwhile, but that the minutia is bullshit?


Another strawman.

I wasn't aware that Islam was the predominant religion in China or India. You remember them, the countries that contain almost half of the world's population.

You don't want questions answered, you want to cast insults. That's DT's well established "thing" here.

Find your own.


Bullshit. My thoughts are based on rationality. If I'm going to insult someone, I'll do it directly. I won't use some old book to hide behind my prejudice. Comparing gays to pedophiles is certainly your right, but at least come out and say it.

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You know what? Ignore my last post. It strays from my beliefs. I don't fucking care what anyone believes. If religion makes you happy, fine. But keep it to yourself! Stop trying to be moral arbiters. The book you believe so adamantly in is fine, if you want to believe it. I don't. Many don't. And nothing contained within it should be used to admonish or create laws or moral guidelines for any of us.



More intellectual dishonesty.

Most laws that protect you in this country were based upon the morality found in that book. You can believe whatever you want. That is a fact.

I'm not comfortable with you being my moral arbiter. You aren't comfortable with me being yours.

I was and am still willing to let you live and let live. You seem unwilling to do the same.

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Well, that was a joke, Seacrest. It may be more fruitful to reply to my prior post, which contains actual thoughts.



You can end marriage subsidies whenever you want. It never factored into a decision that my wife and I ever made.

The Judeo-Christian way of life has worked betteer for more people then any other. Look at the areas of the world that have only been barely touched by it. Or where they are trying desperately to stamp it out. Start with China and India, and then work your way to any number of countries under sharia law presently.

Like I said, the truth just is.


So the only alternative to Judeo-Christian beliefs is Islam? Interesting... I never viewed my options this way. Have you ever thought about the fact that they're all bullshit? Or that certain premises they derive are worthwhile, but that the minutia is bullshit?


Another strawman.

I wasn't aware that Islam was the predominant religion in China or India. You remember them, the countries that contain almost half of the world's population.

You don't want questions answered, you want to cast insults. That's DT's well established "thing" here.

Find your own.


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Bullshit. My thoughts are based on rationality. If I'm going to insult someone, I'll do it directly. I won't use some old book to hide behind my prejudice. Comparing gays to pedophiles is certainly your right, but at least come out and say it.


Unfortunately, the scandal with priests is all too much proof that gay priests were in fact pedophiles. I am sure I don't like that any more than you do. A woman who takes advantage of a young male, of which there are now a number of well publicized instances, are also pedophiles. But of a different type.

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You know what? Ignore my last post. It strays from my beliefs. I don't fucking care what anyone believes. If religion makes you happy, fine. But keep it to yourself! Stop trying to be moral arbiters. The book you believe so adamantly in is fine, if you want to believe it. I don't. Many don't. And nothing contained within it should be used to admonish or create laws or moral guidelines for any of us.



More intellectual dishonesty.

Most laws that protect you in this country were based upon the morality found in that book. You can believe whatever you want. That is a fact.

I'm not comfortable with you being my moral arbiter. You aren't comfortable with me being yours.

I was and am still willing to let you live and let live. You seem unwilling to do the same.


No, that is just the façade you present by not stating what you truly believe. Anyone who compares homosexuality to pedophilia is clearly not comfortable with the axiom of "live and let live." It enrages me that evolved human beings hold such opinions. Again, you could go have sex with goats if you'd like. Just don't tell others how to live their lives or claim moral superiority (passive-aggressively or not) based on how you were raised or the myths you choose to believe.

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You know what? Ignore my last post. It strays from my beliefs. I don't fucking care what anyone believes. If religion makes you happy, fine. But keep it to yourself! Stop trying to be moral arbiters. The book you believe so adamantly in is fine, if you want to believe it. I don't. Many don't. And nothing contained within it should be used to admonish or create laws or moral guidelines for any of us.



More intellectual dishonesty.

Most laws that protect you in this country were based upon the morality found in that book. You can believe whatever you want. That is a fact.

I'm not comfortable with you being my moral arbiter. You aren't comfortable with me being yours.

I was and am still willing to let you live and let live. You seem unwilling to do the same.


No, that is just the façade you present by not stating what you truly believe. Anyone who compares homosexuality to pedophilia is clearly not comfortable with the axiom of "live and let live." It enrages me that evolved human beings hold such opinions. Again, you could go have sex with goats if you'd like. Just don't tell others how to live their lives or claim moral superiority (passive-aggressively or not) based on how you were raised or the myths you choose to believe.


Many of the predator priests were homosexuals.

Another fact you may not like, but it's a fact none the same.

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You know what? Ignore my last post. It strays from my beliefs. I don't fucking care what anyone believes. If religion makes you happy, fine. But keep it to yourself! Stop trying to be moral arbiters. The book you believe so adamantly in is fine, if you want to believe it. I don't. Many don't. And nothing contained within it should be used to admonish or create laws or moral guidelines for any of us.



More intellectual dishonesty.

Most laws that protect you in this country were based upon the morality found in that book. You can believe whatever you want. That is a fact.

I'm not comfortable with you being my moral arbiter. You aren't comfortable with me being yours.

I was and am still willing to let you live and let live. You seem unwilling to do the same.


No, that is just the façade you present by not stating what you truly believe. Anyone who compares homosexuality to pedophilia is clearly not comfortable with the axiom of "live and let live." It enrages me that evolved human beings hold such opinions. Again, you could go have sex with goats if you'd like. Just don't tell others how to live their lives or claim moral superiority (passive-aggressively or not) based on how you were raised or the myths you choose to believe.


Many of the predator priests were homosexuals.

Another fact you may not like, but it's a fact none the same.


So... all homosexuals are pedophiles? Is this what you're saying? Or am I not enlightened enough by the "good book" to understand your perspective here?

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This thread about tolerance has taken a surprisingly acrimonious turn.

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It's the stress of todays decision. There used to be a time when I could post on this message board without worrying about getting a marriage proposal. That was taken away from me.

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So... all homosexuals are pedophiles? Is this what you're saying? Or am I not enlightened enough by the "good book" to understand your perspective here?


You know no such thing was ever said or posited. Or believed privately by me for that matter. That's just an outright lie.

Nor do I believe that I am morally superior to any person here. I have personally broken every one of the ten commandments.

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This thread about tolerance has taken a surprisingly acrimonious turn.
It's the stress of todays decision. There used to be a time when I could post on this message board without worrying about getting a marriage proposal. That was taken away from me.


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Your argument that gays are SOMETIMES pedophiles is pointless. It is correct, but pointless. Straight people are also pedophiles. And pedophiles can be gay or straight. Also, the sky is blue. What the fuck is your point?

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Your argument that gays are SOMETIMES pedophiles is pointless. It is correct, but pointless. Straight people are also pedophiles. And pedophiles can be gay or straight. Also, the sky is blue. What the fuck is your point?


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