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 Post subject: Gar Foreman
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For picking Dunleavy over Belinelli.

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Ah, okay. So you'd rather the Bulls spend bad money and overpay for a roleplayer like Belinelli? A guy whom we all knew had played himself into a bigger contract and likely wouldn't be back anyway?

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Ah, okay. So you'd rather the Bulls spend bad money and overpay for a roleplayer like Belinelli? A guy whom we all knew had played himself into a bigger contract and likely wouldn't be back anyway?

Good deal.


I think they Dunleavy and Belinelli got the same deal (2 years, 6 million). Perhaps the Bulls thought he would get more than what he signed for, were unwilling to give 2 years to him, but Foreman/Paxson have both been vocal about adding additional shooting this off-season so that was probably the determining factor. I liked Belinelli's ability to handle the ball, but I think with Hinrich in the 3rd guard role next season, he'll inherit backup minutes at both guard positions next year as well.


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Belinelli > Dunlevey

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Douchebag wrote:
Belinelli > Dunlevey


I think that's probably correct, but the Bulls are looking for outside shooting, which Dunleavy is better at. I really think that was the deciding factor. They have 3 guards they will use next season, barring injury, so minutes were going to drop next season for Belinelli, they likely preferred a proven veteran shooter.


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 Post subject: Re: Gar Foreman
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Belinelli > Dunlevey

I would rather have Belinelli. But I am not sure the Bulls could have got him for the same deal as the Spurs. The article I read said he had a better offer from the Cavs and turned it down to be able to play for the Spurs. So the Bulls may have had to go with Dunlevey because of the tight money situation.

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Belinelli > Dunlevey


I think that's probably correct, but the Bulls are looking for outside shooting, which Dunleavy is better at. I really think that was the deciding factor. They have 3 guards they will use next season, barring injury, so minutes were going to drop next season for Belinelli, they likely preferred a proven veteran shooter.


Belinelli (.387) has a higher career 3 Pt % than Dunleavy does (.372), although Dunleavy's shooting has been superior to Belinelli's over the past three years.

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Ah, okay. So you'd rather the Bulls spend bad money and overpay for a roleplayer like Belinelli? A guy whom we all knew had played himself into a bigger contract and likely wouldn't be back anyway?

Good deal.


I think they Dunleavy and Belinelli got the same deal (2 years, 6 million). Perhaps the Bulls thought he would get more than what he signed for, were unwilling to give 2 years to him, but Foreman/Paxson have both been vocal about adding additional shooting this off-season so that was probably the determining factor. I liked Belinelli's ability to handle the ball, but I think with Hinrich in the 3rd guard role next season, he'll inherit backup minutes at both guard positions next year as well.


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I believe Thibs will get the talent out of Dunlevey that no other coach has been able to. He's underachieved his entire career.

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I believe Thibs will get the talent out of Dunlevey that no other coach has been able to.


Do you think Thibs should hire Dunleavy's dad as his top assistant?

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I believe Thibs will get the talent out of Dunlevey that no other coach has been able to.


Do you think Thibs should hire Dunleavy's dad as his top assistant?


No. He should hire someone with a high offensive IQ.

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Nas wrote:
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I believe Thibs will get the talent out of Dunlevey that no other coach has been able to.


Do you think Thibs should hire Dunleavy's dad as his top assistant?


No. He should hire someone with a high offensive IQ.


Did Ron Adams not have a high offensive IQ?

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Did Ron Adams not have a high offensive IQ?

Well, he led the league in most offensive catagories. Including nose hair. When he sneezed he looked like a party favor.

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I wonder if the back story on the Adams firing will come out.


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I wonder what Gar Foreman is attempting to do by firing Adams? Is he hoping to put some pressure on Thibs or is hoping to put Thibodeau in his place? It really doesn't make any sense, especially when he doesn't explain it at all.

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I wonder if the back story on the Adams firing will come out.

KC knows but he ain't saying SHEEEIT.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
I wonder what Gar Foreman is attempting to do by firing Adams? Is he hoping to put some pressure on Thibs or is hoping to put Thibodeau in his place? It really doesn't make any sense, especially when he doesn't explain it at all.


It sounds like Ron didn't know his place. He was reportedly very outspoken when it came to the Bulls roster moves or lack of roster moves.

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I wonder if the back story on the Adams firing will come out.

KC knows but he ain't saying.


Do you believe that Dan Bernstein was right in saying that behind the scenes the Bulls were highly disappointed that Rose didn't play at all this last season?

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I wonder what Gar Foreman is attempting to do by firing Adams? Is he hoping to put some pressure on Thibs or is hoping to put Thibodeau in his place? It really doesn't make any sense, especially when he doesn't explain it at all.


It sounds like Ron didn't know his place. He was reportedly very outspoken when it came to the Bulls roster moves or lack of roster moves.


There's not much the Bulls can do. They overpaid some of their guys and they are into the luxury tax and the owner doesn't believe in paying the luxury tax. So unless they could pull off some monster trade they are pretty much stuck. Dunleavy and the two draft picks were the big offseason pickups.

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I wonder if the back story on the Adams firing will come out.

KC knows but he ain't saying.


Do you believe that Dan Bernstein was right in saying that behind the scenes the Bulls were highly disappointed that Rose didn't play at all this last season?

Dude everyone was. He was medically cleared in like what, February? He should have played. Everyone knows it.

I know Hockey is a different sport. But look at those guys. Look at what they played with. And look at Derrick Rose.

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Maybe Adams encouraged Rose not to play and they booted his ass because of it??


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Maybe Adams encouraged Rose not to play and they booted his ass because of it??


Possible

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Nas wrote:
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Maybe Adams encouraged Rose not to play and they booted his ass because of it??


Possible


But that would be indirectly subverting thins as a statement about his inability to manage minutes so it isn't likely

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