It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2024 3:18 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
Three Chicago guys in the bottom six.

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/7/5/ ... all-so-far

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
3. Paul Konerko, -1.0
SHSTC Index: 50
He is 37, after all. But another consideration for the SHSTC is that WAR hasn't gotten along with Konerko for years. Something about a fence line and city permits, maybe? Seems complicated. But they hate each other. Konerko has 429 career homers and a career .358 OBP.
His career WAR is 29 -- Mike Trout is halfway there, by the way -- which puts Konerko in the vicinity of Melvin Mora and Alex Rios. Good players, but not exactly perennial All-Stars. Other than a couple of outliers, the typical season for Konerko is about two wins. Add that to his advancing age, and maybe we should have seen this coming.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
WAR is tough for first baseman


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38688
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
rogers park bryan wrote:
WAR is tough for first baseman

That funny glove they have to use probably has something to do with it.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
badrogue17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
WAR is tough for first baseman

That funny glove they have to use probably has something to do with it.

Seriously though, the worst first baseman in the league hits 20 homeruns and knocks in 75


Its a lot higher offensive bar than SS, 2B etc


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
rogers park bryan wrote:
WAR is tough for first baseman




Yeah, that's because its the easiest position to play...you could stick anyone there.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
Konerko is killed in WAR due to his horrendous fielding and baserunning stats. Funny his best hitting years were when he was 34 and 35 years old. You usually don't see that kind of thing anymore.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:21 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79546
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
312player wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
WAR is tough for first baseman




Yeah, that's because its the easiest position to play...you could stick anyone there.


What about Dick Stuart?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
I don't know who that is.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
312player wrote:
I don't know who that is.


He was the one guy who actually couldn't play 1B.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Hatchetman wrote:
Konerko is killed in WAR due to his horrendous fielding and baserunning stats. Funny his best hitting years were when he was 34 and 35 years old. You usually don't see that kind of thing anymore.

Not really

Even his oWAR numbers have never been great.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:27 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79546
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Hatchetman wrote:
312player wrote:
I don't know who that is.


He was the one guy who actually couldn't play 1B.


Yeah. :lol:

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
so, what you're saying is that 45 offensive WAR is not hurt by -18 defensive and baserunning WAR?

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:32 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Hatchetman wrote:
so, what you're saying is that 45 offensive WAR is not hurt by -18 defensive and baserunning WAR?

Im saying that his average oWAR was about 2.18


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
so, what you're saying is that 45 offensive WAR is not hurt by -18 defensive and baserunning WAR?

Im saying that his average oWAR was about 2.18


Well, yeah. he had like 3-4 good years. 7 average ones, 2-3 horrible ones. People only remember the good ones. Most overrated player in Sox history.

BTW those are runs created numbers cited above, used to calculate WAR.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:35 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
I find it very hard to believe there are 5 players worse than De Aza.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group