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There's a big difference between making an All NBA defensive FIRST team, and just making an all defensive team.

Kobe made all defensive first teams when he was awesome at defense. When he stopped giving a shit the last couple years he stopped making it. I hope this Dwight bullshit reinvigorates him.

The difference between Asik and Noah is way more than stats imply. You can run an offense(although definitely less than an optimal one) through Noah. You can't even try that with Asik. That's a big deal. Noah is a better defender, and defending is Asik's biggest strength. Noah's shot form is ugly(so was Reggie Miller's) but he can successfully move a 5 defender out of the paint. Asik cannot. Noah is much more skilled than Asik on the PnR, and just is a smarter, better, more talented player than Asik. I know you agree with that, but we just disagree on what is "replaceable". Those skills aren't replaceable unless you can acquire Marc Gasol.

Reggie Millers form was ugly :shock: What the fuck is wrong with you Ray...Kobe,Bird and Reggie. I guess people don't read the shit you put down :lol: :lol:

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By pretty much any measure, the Nets have three(you could easily argue 4 as PP can still definite create his own shot and shoot) scoring threats. Would you rather have their roster or the Bulls? Lets say Thibs gets to coach both squads.


You might be able to stretch that to five with Terry if he has anything left. i prefer the Bulls right now, but that doesn't mean much since I think it is highly likely that both teams will be watching the finals at home next year. But...if you trade Williams for Rose I think the Nets can beat Miami with Thibs as coach. That's like a one year window though.

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The Bulls shouldn't try to match what other teams are already good at. They can't match teams like Miami or OKC on the perimeter. Beating them in areas where they are weak at is how they'll get over the hump. The Bulls can do that with their current roster if they are healthy.


But the Bulls were very strong at rebounding, which was supposed to be Miami's Achilles heel.

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The Bulls shouldn't try to match what other teams are already good at. They can't match teams like Miami or OKC on the perimeter. Beating them in areas where they are weak at is how they'll get over the hump. The Bulls can do that with their current roster if they are healthy.

Again we agree. Trying to recreate Lebron + a great scorer is a fool's errand. Lets just focus on being a better version of Indiana which we almost certainly are with a healthy Rose. I think it should be clear to everyone that Miami is a very vulnerable champion, regardless of what you think of the Bulls.


I don't think it's about duplicating Miami's roster makeup, it's more about having enough to match what championship teams can throw your way. Miami, the Spurs, and OKC can score more points than the Bulls. That's what I think it separates the Bulls from other teams.

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The Bulls shouldn't try to match what other teams are already good at. They can't match teams like Miami or OKC on the perimeter. Beating them in areas where they are weak at is how they'll get over the hump. The Bulls can do that with their current roster if they are healthy.


But the Bulls were very strong at rebounding, which was supposed to be Miami's Achilles heel.


That is why an unhealthy Bulls team played the Heat tough.

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Volume rising on rumbles Randy Foye will wind up w/Nuggets. Which would take DEN out of Monta Ellis race & clear way for Hawks to sign Monta

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Yet there are also fresh rumbles that Sacramento is trying to muscle into the Monta-Stakes and challenge Atlanta's presumed edge for Ellis

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Alternative scenario starting to circulate has Hawks & Bucks talking sign-and-trade -- Jennings for Teague -- with Monta winding up in SAC

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Lakers sign Chris Kaman to a 1 year deal.

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Lakers sign Chris Kaman to a 1 year deal.


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A week into free agency, most of the biggest names on last Monday's ranking of the impact free agents by position already have agreed to new contracts. With the market thinning out, let's take a look at the 10 best players still available and who might be interested in signing them.

1. Nikola Pekovic, C, Minnesota Timberwolves (R)
Along with the other players in the top three of this list, Pekovic's restricted status seems to have scared away suitors. Now, it's possible no team offers him a deal starting at more than $10 million per year. The two teams left with major cap space are the Cleveland Cavaliers, who might not want to cut into their 2014 cap space, and the Philadelphia 76ers, who are rebuilding and just added Nerlens Noel at center. Pekovic's other hope of a big offer would be the Sacramento Kingsusing the amnesty provision on John Salmons, which would allow them to clear somewhere in the neighborhood of $12.5 million even after signing Carl Landry -- but would also leave them badly in need of a small forward.

If no big offer materializes, Pekovic has a few choices. He could sign a smaller contract with a team like the Atlanta Hawks or Dallas Mavericks, knowing the Timberwolves would match. Or he could use the threat of playing next season for his $6.1 million qualifying offer as leverage to strike a long-term deal in Minnesota. Taking the qualifying offer would mean less money in the short term but would make Pekovic a more coveted asset as an unrestricted free agent next summer.

2. Brandon Jennings, PG, Milwaukee Bucks (R)
Like Pekovic, Jennings has seen his market dry up. Besides the Bucks, the only team with ample cap space that has not added a starting point guard this summer is the Hawks -- who have their own restricted free agent at the position. So Jennings seems likely to be back in Milwaukee. The question is whether he'll play for the qualifying offer or sign a long-term deal. In March, Jennings told Yahoo! that if he takes the qualifying offer, he definitely will leave next summer. It would represent a major sacrifice in his casecase because Jennings' qualifying offer is for just $4.3 million.

3. Jeff Teague, PG, Atlanta Hawks (R)
Teague has the same problem as Jennings and expressed his frustration at not hearing from the Hawks last week. Atlanta was busy filling other needs and still has more cap space to spend. Teague likely will be the Hawks' last move because his cap hold ($6.1 million) is smaller than his likely starting salary on a new 

4. Andrew Bynum, C, Philadelphia 76ers
Bynum might be the most interesting free agent left on the market. Depending on how his knees hold up, he could be either the best or worst value in free agency. So the medical evaluation will be an important part of the negotiating process for teams like the Hawks and Mavericks that could be interested in offering him more than midlevel money. At that price, a two-year contract probably strikes the appropriate balance between the upside of Bynum being a bargain and the risk that he doesn't get on the court at all.

5. Andrei Kirilenko, SF, Minnesota Timberwolves
Kirilenko might have a tough time making anything close to the $10.2 million player option he turned down to enter free agency. His ideal scenario is Sacramento using the amnesty provision on Salmons and using that cap space on a long-term contract. Kirilenko could also get a lucrative one-year offer from Cleveland, which would allow the Cavaliers to save their cap space for next summer while competing for the playoffs now. Failing that, Kirilenko is likely looking at midlevel offers.

6. Chris Andersen, C, Miami Heat
By all accounts, Birdman will continue to fly for the Heat. Andersen and the team have to figure out whether he'll sign using non-Bird rights (no pun intended) for $1.7 million or command part of Miami's $3.2 million taxpayer midlevel exception. Since Andersen is still being paid by the Denver Nuggets for the last year of a contract they amnestied last summer, he may be willing to take the smaller figure and leave the midlevel for other potential signings.

7. Monta Ellis, G, Milwaukee Bucks
So far Ellis hasn't generated the kind of interest he hoped to find when he opted out of the final year of his contract, which would have paid $11 million. Our Marc Stein reported Saturday that the Hawks and Nuggets have interest, although Denver would need to move a contract to offer Ellis more than the midlevel exception. Atlanta can fit Ellis more easily, but it's unclear whether he would offer anything the Hawks don't already get from the more efficient Lou Williams.

8. Nate Robinson, PG, Chicago Bulls
Now that most teams have settled their starting point guard spots, they're beginning to look for backups who won't break the bank. That's the case with Robinson, who can provide instant production off the bench despite his small stature. One possibility: a return to the Golden State Warriors, where Robinson played two years ago and Andre Iguodala could help with playmaking duties.

9. Gerald Henderson, SG, Charlotte Bobcats (R)
Henderson took his game to a new level after the All-Star break, averaging 18.5 points per game. While that was partially explained by increased playing time, he pushed his per-36 averages from 16.6 points and 2.6 assists before the break to 19.0 points and 3.7 assists thereafter. His true shooting percentage also improved from .514 to .547. The Bobcats may be able to get a good deal to bring back the restricted free agent, who has apparently drawn little outside interest.

10. Brandan Wright, F/C, Dallas Mavericks
With J.J. Hickson agreeing to a three-year deal in Denver, Wright becomes the best option for teams looking for a big man to score off the bench. The high-percentage finisher made better than 60 percent of his two-point attempts during two years in Dallas and can play either frontcourt position, although he's a weak defender at both of them. If the Mavericks sign Bynum, Wright may be looking for a new home.

Next 10: Mo Williams, PG, Utah Jazz; Gary Neal, SG, San Antonio Spurs (R); Corey Brewer, SF, Denver Nuggets; Elton Brand, C, Dallas Mavericks; Samuel Dalembert, C, Milwaukee Bucks; DeJuan Blair; C, San Antonio Spurs; Marreese Speights, C, Cleveland Cavaliers; James Johnson, SF, Sacramento Kings (R); Jermaine O'Neal, C, Phoenix Suns; D.J. Augustin, PG, Indiana Pacers.

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That list is full of a lot of bad NBA money.

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Cleveland offered Bynum 24 million for two years. With second year being team option. Bynum has yet to accept.

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Cleveland offered Bynum 24 million for two years. With second year being team option. Bynum has yet to accept.


The Lakers finally got what they deserved. They got Howard and traded Bynum who put the 76ers in the lottery by not playing and then Howard walked on them. Bynum is a high risk player. If he sits for the year your team is out 12 million.

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Jordan Farmar returns to the Lakers. :lol: :lol:

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Teague or Jennings, who would you rather have?

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Couldn't the Bulls have gotten/used Jermaine O'neal? He can't be getting much from his new team?

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Ok, if you were the Bucks?

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I'd take Jennings over teague in any situation.

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Probably wishing he would have taken the Bucks extension (I am glad he didn't):

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/94663 ... jeff-fried

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Teague is a true PG. Jennings is a volume shooter. I personally would prefer Teague.

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Teague is a true PG. Jennings is a volume shooter. I personally would prefer Teague.

That is what I was thinking, plus Teague can't play any worse defense than Jennings. I was a big fan of Jennings, but oh man has my opinion of him changed.

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Your NBA luxury-tax champions from the 2012-13 season? Lakers informed tonight that they were officially charged $29,259,739 in '12-13 tax


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Wanna know how new NBA world works? With essentially same payroll as Lakers last season, Nets will owe$70+ mil in tax after 2013-14 season


:shock: Bulls were over too. Hope Jr was in a happy place yesterday.

...The addition of Dunleavy pushes the Bulls further past the projected luxury tax threshold, which they passed for the first time in franchise history last season. When the moratorium ended last night, the Bulls were charged just over $3.9 million tax penalty for last season’s payroll.


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Your NBA luxury-tax champions from the 2012-13 season? Lakers informed tonight that they were officially charged $29,259,739 in '12-13 tax


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Wanna know how new NBA world works? With essentially same payroll as Lakers last season, Nets will owe$70+ mil in tax after 2013-14 season


Thanks for this. Wow, these taxes are obviously very debilitating. But teams like the Lakers and Knicks have expressed willingness in the past to pay the tax for a contending team. Even LA, despite "winning" the luxury tax contest, was ready to go over the cap once again during Howard's free agency. This will definitely make teams think twice about going over the cap, but I don't know if it helps to level the playing field. NY and LA have the resources to pay steep tax bills if they choose to do so, but I doubt smaller market teams like Milwaukee and NO will ever consider paying the tax, even if it means keeping a hypothetical contending team together.

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Your NBA luxury-tax champions from the 2012-13 season? Lakers informed tonight that they were officially charged $29,259,739 in '12-13 tax


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 10m
Wanna know how new NBA world works? With essentially same payroll as Lakers last season, Nets will owe$70+ mil in tax after 2013-14 season


Thanks for this. Wow, these taxes are obviously very debilitating. But teams like the Lakers and Knicks have expressed willingness in the past to pay the tax for a contending team. Even LA, despite "winning" the luxury tax contest, was ready to go over the cap once again during Howard's free agency. This will definitely make teams think twice about going over the cap, but I don't know if it helps to level the playing field. NY and LA have the resources to pay steep tax bills if they choose to do so, but I doubt smaller market teams like Milwaukee and NO will ever consider paying the tax, even if it means keeping a hypothetical contending team together.

Is it really debilitating for the Nets owner though? Isn't he worth like $25 billion or something?

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Right, and I'm not sure if the penalty tax system will alter the recent flow of big-time players to teams with deep pockets.

The chart KS posted is interesting in the sense that the six teams that have gone over the cap at least five times during the past ten years are all big-market teams, with the exception of San Antonio. I realize there are stiffer penalties in play now, so we'll see if similar large-market spending trends continue to prevail. I doubt it though, and I'm not entirely sure what the solution should be. I assume contraction is out the question from the NBA's perspective.

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Teague is a true PG. Jennings is a volume shooter. I personally would prefer Teague.


I think Teague is the safer pick of the two, but Jennings seems to have more upside.

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