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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:38 pm 
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Just call the police. Give a description of the suspicious person and let the police do their job. I'm sure he isn't supposed to play hero. Now if he were to see some woman being assaulted and he wanted to step in and help I would have no issue with that.


Well, you are just discrediting his story. He may be telling the truth (and he may not). When he was on the phone with the dispatcher, he says Martin came and circled his car "checking him out." He said Martin left, and then the dispatcher said not to follow him. GZ said "ok," and then says he went to find a street sign to give the cops a place to meet him. He did, and the call ended. Then he says on his way back to the car, Martin attacked him.

Again, his story. He could be telling the truth, and he could be lying.


That's fair. No one knows exactly what happened except Zimmerman. At some point you can hear him chasing Trayvon. Then he stops and tells the dispatcher he ran away. Less than 3 mins later someone called to report the fight. Either Trayvon is superman and Zimmerman walks like a snail to his car or there was more to the story than what Zimmerman shared. I'm sure he wouldn't want to hurt himself and being the son of a judge has to help.


Or GZ is telling the truth, and he stopped following him and was attacked by Martin on the way back to the car. He took a voice stress test on that issue:

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A voice stress test is a type of test used to measure deceptive or psychological stress in the human voice in response to questions.[196] Zimmerman was asked, "Did you confront the guy you shot?", to which Zimmerman answered, "No." Zimmerman was asked, "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?", to which Zimmerman answered, "Yes."[194] The examiner concluded that Zimmerman "told substantially the complete truth" in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as "No Deception Indicated (NDI)" according to the report.[194]


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I grew up on an older block where pretty much everyone owned their home and the little old ladies would look at the window around the clock (that's what it seemed like) and they would call the police every time they saw anyone they didn't think belonged. You never saw them confronting anyone but they knew everyone and knew how to dial 911.


Right, and according to Zimmerman, that's what he did. And on his way back to his car, Martin attacked him.


The fight didn't take place near his car I don't believe.

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I grew up on an older block where pretty much everyone owned their home and the little old ladies would look at the window around the clock (that's what it seemed like) and they would call the police every time they saw anyone they didn't think belonged. You never saw them confronting anyone but they knew everyone and knew how to dial 911.


Right, and according to Zimmerman, that's what he did. And on his way back to his car, Martin attacked him.


The fight didn't take place near his car I don't believe.


I don't know where it happened, GZ just says it happened when he was walking back to his car.


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Not admitted to Jurors
-A photo in which Martin shows his gold teeth to the camera while sticking up his middle fingers.
-Martin’s school records, which include a suspension from his Miami high school -- less than a month before his altercation with Zimmerman – for possessing a baggie with marijuana residue.
-Texts and photos from Martin’s cellphone that refer to or show firearms. "U gotta gun?" reads a text from Martin's phone, sent eight days before his death. The defense cited a photo of a hand holding a gun, taken with Martin’s phone, and another picture of a gun on a bed.
-Texts with marijuana references, and photos that show Martin blowing smoke and what appear to be marijuana plants.
-Texts and video that suggest that Martin was involved in organized fights.


Because absolutely zero percent of that is relevant as to whether George Zimmerman feared for his life. If you can explain to me how any of these are the least bit relevant to establish whether Zimmerman feared for his life at the moment of the confrontation I will eat the hottest, wettest, most beer-fueled shit you can slosh into a bucket and mail my way.

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Not admitted to Jurors
-A photo in which Martin shows his gold teeth to the camera while sticking up his middle fingers.
-Martin’s school records, which include a suspension from his Miami high school -- less than a month before his altercation with Zimmerman – for possessing a baggie with marijuana residue.
-Texts and photos from Martin’s cellphone that refer to or show firearms. "U gotta gun?" reads a text from Martin's phone, sent eight days before his death. The defense cited a photo of a hand holding a gun, taken with Martin’s phone, and another picture of a gun on a bed.
-Texts with marijuana references, and photos that show Martin blowing smoke and what appear to be marijuana plants.
-Texts and video that suggest that Martin was involved in organized fights.


Because absolutely zero percent of that is relevant as to whether George Zimmerman feared for his life. If you can explain to me how any of these are the least bit relevant to establish whether Zimmerman feared for his life at the moment of the confrontation I will eat the hottest, wettest, most beer-fueled shit you can slosh into a bucket and mail my way.


Truth.

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Not admitted to Jurors
-A photo in which Martin shows his gold teeth to the camera while sticking up his middle fingers.
-Martin’s school records, which include a suspension from his Miami high school -- less than a month before his altercation with Zimmerman – for possessing a baggie with marijuana residue.
-Texts and photos from Martin’s cellphone that refer to or show firearms. "U gotta gun?" reads a text from Martin's phone, sent eight days before his death. The defense cited a photo of a hand holding a gun, taken with Martin’s phone, and another picture of a gun on a bed.
-Texts with marijuana references, and photos that show Martin blowing smoke and what appear to be marijuana plants.
-Texts and video that suggest that Martin was involved in organized fights.


Because absolutely zero percent of that is relevant as to whether George Zimmerman feared for his life. If you can explain to me how any of these are the least bit relevant to establish whether Zimmerman feared for his life at the moment of the confrontation I will eat the hottest, wettest, most beer-fueled shit you can slosh into a bucket and mail my way.


Truth.

And :lol:



Agree, but it's relevant to trying to figure out whether you want to believe what GZ said about how Martin acted. Certainly not definitive or anything, though.

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Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a fucking problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, then Martin said "You got a problem now" and punched Zimmerman.[190] As they struggled on the ground, Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman yelled for help "probably 50 times." (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) Martin told him to "Shut the fuck up," as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk.[187] When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:48 pm 
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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime. If you wanna be a cop, be a cop. Otherwise, be your good samaritan self by calling a cop and let them handle it. I still cannot believe Florida enacted a law that let's little men play big men's games.


Have you been to Florida? Brick said something about it not being the Wild West, but historically, there was that same frontier spirit in much of the state, which had to be tamed just as much as the West did. It's no wonder there's an indelible culture of weirdness there.

Indeed I have. Worked for the mouse for 4 months as a college break. Used to go running in an area outside of Kissimmee that was eventually turned into some extension of I-4. Running in the backwoods was quite an experience. Kicked an Armadillo in the dark one night. Another night I kind of freaked out because as I was passing by a swampy area, there were these lights glowing over the far edge of the swamp. As I got closer it became apparent some adults were joy riding and drove their camaro into the water and were trying to figure how to get it out. It was still there a week later. One in a littany of stories of uneducated folk doing stupid things for fun. Truly a blessed bunch of hillbillies straight out of Deliverance central casting. The story and question are kind of an aside, but the fact these people exist doesn't mean the state should enact laws so the Barney Fife's of the world can exist.


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Agree, but it's relevant to trying to figure out whether you want to believe what GZ said about how Martin acted. Certainly not definitive or anything, though.

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Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a fucking problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, then Martin said "You got a problem now" and punched Zimmerman.[190] As they struggled on the ground, Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman yelled for help "probably 50 times." (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) Martin told him to "Shut the fuck up," as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk.[187] When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first.


Relevant for that purpose but inadmissible for the exact same reason.

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Agree, but it's relevant to trying to figure out whether you want to believe what GZ said about how Martin acted. Certainly not definitive or anything, though.

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Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a fucking problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, then Martin said "You got a problem now" and punched Zimmerman.[190] As they struggled on the ground, Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman yelled for help "probably 50 times." (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) Martin told him to "Shut the fuck up," as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk.[187] When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first.


Relevant for that purpose but inadmissible for the exact same reason.


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Concealed carry is here to stay. Let's take that as a given. So then you are going to have altercations for one reason or another. One dude starts beating on another. Other guy pulls gun. Isn't this the natural progression of things? I don't really see what is avoidable here.

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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime.


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Agree


Except for the pesky fact that the Second Amendment guarantees his right to do so.

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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime.


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Agree


Except for the pesky fact that the Second Amendment guarantees his right to do so.


I'm allllll for freedom, but I wish guns would go away.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime.


Bucky Chris wrote:
Agree


Except for the pesky fact that the Second Amendment guarantees his right to do so.

Ohhhh sorry JORR. Poor choice of english word use on beni. The 2nd amendment is not the point being debated.


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Do we still say "homie"?

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Do we still say "homie"?


:lol: :lol:

DA should have roasted him on that one.

Your honor, we would like to present exhibit T. A voicemail from 1997 asking for it's slang back.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime.


Bucky Chris wrote:
Agree


Except for the pesky fact that the Second Amendment guarantees his right to do so.


I'm allllll for freedom, but I wish guns would go away.

Well the 2nd part of your statement will never happen, so it sounds like you need to reconcile your feelings on the 1st part.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The fact this guy was allowed to carry a gun in any capacity is the real crime.


Bucky Chris wrote:
Agree


Except for the pesky fact that the Second Amendment guarantees his right to do so.


I'm allllll for freedom, but I wish guns would go away.

Well the 2nd part of your statement will never happen, so it sounds like you need to reconcile your feelings on the 1st part.


I pretty much have. I support the second amendment, but still wish guns would go away.


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Is it still considered race baiting if its #truth?

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Is it still considered race baiting if its #truth?


Give us some examples.


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Is it still considered race baiting if its #truth?


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In Florida an African American mother with no criminal history can get 20 years for firing a WARNING shot to stop an abusive husband, but a man can murder an unarmed African American child (that he profiled) and not even get convicted of manslaughter.

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Is it still considered race baiting if its #truth?


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In Florida an African American mother with no criminal history can get 20 years for firing a WARNING shot to stop an abusive husband, but a man can murder an unarmed African American child (that he profiled) and not even get convicted of manslaughter.

That's a minimum sentencing problem for committing a crime with a gun. Specifically more Florida idiocy with the 10/20/Life law.


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Is it still considered race baiting if its #truth?


Give us some examples.

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In Florida an African American mother with no criminal history can get 20 years for firing a WARNING shot to stop an abusive husband, but a man can murder an unarmed African American child (that he profiled) and not even get convicted of manslaughter.

That's a minimum sentencing problem for committing a crime with a gun. Specifically more Florida idiocy with the 10/20/Life law.


I understood that but as a prosecutor do you charge her with ANYTHING let alone attempted murder?

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I am still curious how my thoughts made me the biggest racebaiter. Rodeovan and Chris Rongey had statuses that I commented on and it read like my posts on here. I guess it was my J Cole lyric that I posted this morning that pushed him over the edge. Either way I'm glad he got it off his chest.

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You won't recognize me. My name was Antonio Santiago and I was the 13-month old child who was shot at point blank range by two teens who were attempting to rob my mother, who was also shot. A Grand Jury of my mommy's peers from Brunswick GA determined the teens who murdered me will not face the death penalty...too bad I was given a death sentence for being innocent and defenseless.

My family made the mistake of being white in a 73% non-white neighborhood, but my murder was not ruled a Hate Crime. (This is only relevant because the make-up of the Sanford FL community, which was misrepresented as being 78% White. The actual demographics are 50% white, 30% Black in Sanford, not quite what was represented by the media.) Nor did President Obama take so much as a single moment to acknowledge my murder.

I am one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation's history, but the media doesn't care to cover the story of my tragic demise, President Obama has no children who could possibly look like me - so he doesn't care and the media doesn't care because my story is not interesting enough to bring them ratings so they can sell commercial time slots.

There is not a white equivalent of Al Sharpton because if there was he would be declared racist, so there is no one rushing to Brunswick GA to demand justice for me. There is no White Panther party to put a bounty on the lives of those who murdered me. I have no voice, I have no representation and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat innocently in my stroller - I no longer have my life.
(Again, the specifics regarding the esteemed Reverend's involvement, as well as that of the Black Panthers and our Nation's leader are what propelled the State of Florida v. George Zimmerman case into the national spotlight.)


So while you are seeking justice for Treyvon, please remember to seek justice for me too. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get tee shirts with my face on them and make the world pay attention, just like you did for Treyvon.

Thank you. — at Brunswick, GA

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TP is that satire?


It's somebody's FB post.

Wasn't really "miserable".

So I posted it here.

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Okay. They are aware that a jury rightfully found them guilty? I can understand them being pissed that they weren't put to death but those 2 cases aren't the same.

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Okay. They are aware that a jury rightfully found them guilty? I can understand them being pissed that they weren't put to death but those 2 cases aren't the same.


I'm pretty sure they know.

It is an example of white person "outrage" over the coverage.

There's plenty more.

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