So, its the honesty you have an issue with?

2 years to clean up a bloated roster and awful infrastructure is not crazy imo.

And the fans havent beens showing up have they?

That's nothing; you oughta see Lou Gehrig's.

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The stupidest part is the loudest voice of this dumb cult is a Sox "fan". For that Sox fans are the smartest baseball fans in Chicago for punting this turd out of Sox business. Fuckity fuck fuck.

No, it's that it's not honesty at all. Ricketts is pocketing the money that could go into making the big league product watchable for the fans who get their ticket prices raised every season. It's not like they had to lose 100 games in order to win some ambiguous future World Series. The fact that you believe that to be the case illustrates exactly how great a con man he really is.

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Who is doing that?

Im certainly not. Also, we've seen quite a bit of the two pitchers and they're much older. The prospects are more of an unknown.


This is classic.

Sox fan cites barely medicore pitchers as a "set rotation"

Other Sox fan asks Cub fan to defend ridiculous statement no one made.


Cub fans are so dumb lolololol

The cries for help of Sox nation, all 18 of them.

Is Theo a genius, hell no, but he seems to be a really good baseball president who is hiring some really good people and thats what a President does, he hires good people (#CHANGE) then he leads and supports them to produce an improvement.

The Sox are going to really need to step up their game in the upcoming years to compete for what sliver of the fan base they have left.

The cubs are going to be a very likeable team. I am not talking fuzzt teddy bear likeable, but 'drinking buddy" likeable.

And you will hear the call of 'I have been a Sox fan for 32 years, but I have to admit I like this Cubs team, they seem to have some really good guys. This Bryant and Rizzo are what we need.

The cubs are playing the numbers, get as many prospects as you can and the odds are some will work out. It's not Rocket Surgery, but its still a good plan. Fact is Jerry will never dump that kind of cash into his system to do the same thing and the Sox will be right back to buying journeyman, castoffs and players coming off injury, shopping in the closeout section.

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I don't think anyone believes that in the black and white sense that you illustrate there. I do believe that saving money on the big club (no glory in winning 85 games etc) can help lead to a World Series when that money is reallocated to Latin American baseball clinics, International and Amateur Drafts, Improving Wrigley so it makes the team more profitable etc. Obviously nothing is guaranteed, but recent history is teaching us that going ape shit on free agents tends to not work.

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So JORR....would the Cubs be in a better position right now and in the future if Jim Hendry was still in charge?

but the douchebag is specifically for Cubbie Kool Aid and I think I backed the douchebagging of it well with three sources.

If you are not in that group, why do you defend them?

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Dont tell me what I believe or that Ive been conned. That's fucking insulting. I know as much about baseball as you do, so dont try your superiority shit on me

I know they could have made you happy by signing a few FA's and winning 83 games and that would have been super awesome for the season ticket holder.

I understand that. That is not a difficult concept to understand. You know I know baseball and know this.


This is evidence that your Anti Cub bias has completely taken over the part of your brain that rationally discusses baseball so you're just saying stupid things that make no sense.


No, Ive not been conned. Im realistic about this teams chances of winning anything in 2012 or 2013. I also think Theo Epstein has been a pretty good Gm and Im willing to give him some time to figure it out (like any rationally thinking fan would)


I know you're dying for that to somehow translate into "WooHoo Soler and Bryant Rule! and Theo is God" for your arguments here, but it never will, no matter how many times you try.

The Cubbie Kool Aid Sox fan hate so much is something the Sox lack. It is called expectations and hope.

When your mantra to start a season is 'I'll show you we dont suck"...not exactly a great marketing slogan

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Those "really good people" were the architects of some really bad Padre baseball and got out of town before they were run out on a rail.

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How did Hope work out the last time it was peddled to the masses in 2008?

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and yet, there they are, producing at the major league level for the second year in a row...funny how the game works

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I predict the Sox win a division title before the Cubs do.

We've seen the Sox have bad years before and bounce back. Now, they've got a lot of work to do but so do a majority of teams in MLB.

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Producing what?

A .402 winning pct?

What? I thought winning 80 games didn't matter?

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That's an interesting question. I know the popular line is that Hendry sucks and that may be correct. However, he did have pretty good success when you look at it objectively.

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What are you talking about?

THe Sox arent winning. To say they're rotation is "producing" is laughable


Whether finishing 5 games or 15 games back of the Wild Card is a big difference is irrelevant here

History will repair the Hendry hate.

You cant get an accurate read on stuff like that right at the end.


He was absolutely successful

Joe Orr may know that you know that he knows but I'm not so sure after this statement.

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I thought we needed to look past wins and losses especially when judging the future.

By the same logic, isn't Theo's plan failing?

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Aren't you one of those guys going up and back with Joe for the better part of a month about pitcher won loss records?

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I guess he was successful.....if you apply the absolute lowest bar of what is successful which unfortunately applies to this franchise. And if you have an unlimited payroll to spend your way out of bad drafts after bad drafts.

If a Cub fan made the statement that the rotation was "producing for the second year in a row" while their team was in last place, you would mock them for years


Quintana is still on a tight rope and Santiago has been up and down.

To call that rotation "set at 1-4" is doing a KegStand of White Sox Kool-Aid

No you have that wrong.

Anyway, Im not referring to their specific W-L records. Im saying the team they're on is awful, so to say they are producing is crazy.

No they are not well backed. You're using Bernstein (irrational love of Theo), Holmes (irrational love of Bernstein) and WGN (radio broadcast partner of the Cubs). I don't defend any of these guys. Unfortunately, all three of those sources have a lot of influence being on the two biggest sports stations in Chicago.

But, whatevs, trolls gotta troll.

Hendry will always be a complicated case. Successful on the MLB front, but an abject failure in terms of the minors and development. How much of that can be blamed on him and what should be blamed on Tribune Co./Zell etc is certainly up for debate.

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