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Ken Harrelson’s misshapen nose bears witness to his background as a scrapper, though the distinctive beak is only part of the story behind the ‘‘Hawk’’ handle that has defined him throughout his public life (more on that later).Hawk acknowledged being rendered “10 toes up” by a smaller opponent in his only foray into organized boxing, but that didn’t stop Rocky Marciano from suggesting he fight Sonny Liston for $100,000 at Fenway Park in 1969.



That was one of the more startling claims to emerge from “The Colorful Life of Ken Harrelson,” a film study of the Hawk that aired on the MLB Network on Thursday evening. Marciano, the only heavyweight to retire as an undefeated champion, died in a plane crash days after the conversation ostensibly took place, so its authenticity couldn’t be verified.That was the problem with the whole movie — no corroboration of anything Harrelson said. It was not the documentary it was billed as being but a solid hour of unadulterated, unabashed, certainly unapologetic Hawk, with enough names dropped to fill six gossip columns.The resentful, suspicious, God-is-a-Cubs-fan White Sox loyalists who are Hawk’s core followers probably loved every minute of it.Bob Costas’ role also was overstated; he was the narrator, not the interviewer. Had it been Costas rather than an MLB producer asking questions, some of Hawk’s more outlandish recollections might have been challenged.



But on a night with no games, the film was baseball’s best offering.The nickname? Minor-league teammate Dick Howser was responsible, citing a resemblance to Henrietta Hawk, a fussy, busybody comic-strip character. On the day Harrelson warned Howser to dispense with the name, he also hit a home run, so it was conveniently shortened to Hawk.It’s not so much a nickname as an alter ego, a flamboyant self-promoter who helps introvert Ken Harrelson overcome his inherent shyness. The 71-year-old man in his 28th year as lead dog in the White Sox broadcast booth? Hawk, no question.Save for a magical 1968 season in which he slugged 35 homers and knocked in 109 runs for the Boston Red Sox, Harrelson was a pretty ordinary ballplayer, hitting .239 with 131 homers and 421 RBI over nine seasons. He has been a broadcaster pretty much non-stop since 1975 and brings the ego of a more accomplished hitter to the booth; Ozzie Guillen once suggested Hawk “sits up there like he was Mickey Mantle.”

Harrelson attributes his polarizing style to advice he got from Curt Gowdy and Howard Cosell: Don’t try to please everybody.Gowdy and Cosell, incidentally, are among a bevy of luminaries Hawk recalled moving through his life at various times, joining Joe Namath, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Mantle and Vince Lombardi.

Hawk is fortunate that broadcasting worked out because he was a dismal failure when he ventured out of the booth to become White Sox general manager in 1986. He isn’t into self-deprecation, but he poked fun at himself for firing Hall of Fame-bound Tony La Russa as Sox manager, his signature bad move. Replacing capable young front-office staffers with cronies who had “played the game” was just as damaging to the organization, but no mention of that.Hawk took a sound beating in the press and he said he knew he had to quit when he saw his daughter crying after reading a critical story. The men he fired had families, too.

On longevity alone, Harrelson merits Hall of Fame consideration. He’d be the fifth Chicago broadcaster honored, following Bob Elson, Jack Brickhouse, Harry Caray and Milo Hamilton. Each of those four worked both sides of town, but Hawk would pick up a dinner tab for Joe West and a roomful of umpires before he would align himself with any team other than the White Sox.

“When we lose,” he says in the film, “there isn’t a person in that clubhouse who’s more upset than I am.’’If that fierce provincialism defines Harrelson, it also hurts his credibility, and thus his appeal to Hall of Fame voters. His diatribes against umpires are one thing. Worse is when innings, games, entire series pass with barely a mention of the opposing team, save for the occasional, ‘‘I love Jody Gerut.”

Harrelson is defiantly proud of his loyalty. In 2006, after Texas Rangers headhunter Vicente Padilla drilled A.J. Pierzynski twice in the same game, Hawk said he headed for the Rangers’ clubhouse with every intention of fighting Padilla until cooler heads talked him out of it.He was 64 years old at the time. Hard to imagine that from Vin Scully.


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He torched him on the broadcast today.

And Berns and Boerstein as well.

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He torched him on the broadcast today.

And Berns and Boerstein as well.



Hawk demolishing his detractors

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He torched him on the broadcast today.

And Berns and Boerstein as well.

Wait, who torched who?
Goddamn undefined pronouns.

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Darkside wrote:
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He torched him on the broadcast today.

And Berns and Boerstein as well.

Wait, who torched who?
Goddamn undefined pronouns.

Please let this mean self-immolation on Hawk's part.

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Jay Mariotti wannabees.

Trash peddlers.

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Hawk has lived a pretty cool life, maybe it was a little cooler when he tells the stories in his mind, but most of it happened or he thinks it happened. Either way, he played in the bigs, had an MVP like season and has/had some pretty cool friends from back in the day.

Either way, he is kind of an asshole now and should not be the front pitch man for any organization, baseball or otherwise, that is trying to get people to attend, join or support. Yet, cant take away from the life the guy lived and thats why Jerry loves having him around, good guy to hang with, bad guy to work with.

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Looks like Bernstein had McGrath on speed dial (doesn't he come on SCR from time to time? No way that is a coincidence), because that sure looks like a called-in, swiftly-orchestrated narcjob hitpiece.

Bernstein just cannot stand when someone he doesn't likes has anything good happen to them.

That is sick.


No way Bernstein likes McGrath. He was a vocal critic of Dan's treatment of Santo.

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I thought B&B were pretty fair to that senile old hillbilly. The fact that he felt compelled to respond to them only shows how insecure he is. At this point he's an embarrassment to pretty much everything he touches and every person he comes into contact with. He's the worst announcer in baseball and the most unprofessional. He's also a rapidly aging dinosaur more interested in himself and his "battles" than the games. The White Sox would be wise to ditch the old fart and move on from his stale antics.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
Looks like Bernstein had McGrath on speed dial (doesn't he come on SCR from time to time? No way that is a coincidence), because that sure looks like a called-in, swiftly-orchestrated narcjob hitpiece.

Bernstein just cannot stand when someone he doesn't likes has anything good happen to them.

That is sick.


No way Bernstein likes McGrath. He was a vocal critic of Dan's treatment of Santo.


Yeah, McGrath wrote a less than flattering piece about how Bernstein had real potential until TB dragged him down into the muck and mire.

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The thing I can't get over with Hawk Harrelson is that he never played for the White Sox. Not a game. Most erstwhile players who come to occupy the Biggest Cheerleader role for their respective teams are either natives of the area, longtime alumni of the team, or both. How is that Mr. White Sox is some hayseed from South Carolina who played for Boston and the A's? The voice of the south side shouldn't be THAT south. Furthermore, you can find old Yankees games where he's doing his schtick as if he grew up living and breathing the Yankees. It's bullshit. There's no connection here forged by life before broadcasting. He could have taken his act to any team, could've read on-air love notes to Steinbrenner or the Yawkeys instead of Reinsdorf. I have the same problem with Harry Caray. The Cubs treat him like Chicago's Vin Scully when he just got here, drunk and senile, after a legendary career with his hometown Cardinals and then a good run with the Sox. Ed Farmer is both a twit and a twat, but at least there's some verisimilitude to a Catholic school douchebag from Beverly--who played for the Sox--prattling on about the Sox.

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Dan McGrath hates B&B....where you think the drop "Don't be so smarmy, just say hello." comes from?

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Dan McGrath hates B&B....where you think the drop "Don't be so smarmy, just say hello." comes from?

And the Dan McGrath comedy police.


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Back when the show had comedy to be policed.

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The time called for Hawk to put these chumps in their place. They needed a reality check. You got a guy who writes for a dying newspaper and two idiots on a rapidly dying radio show. Can't let the peasants get chesty.


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The time called for Hawk to put these chumps in their place. They needed a reality check. You got a guy who writes for a dying newspaper and two idiots on a rapidly dying radio show. Can't let the peasants get chesty.


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Kirkwood wrote:
The time called for Hawk to put these chumps in their place. They needed a reality check. You got a guy who writes for a dying newspaper and two idiots on a rapidly dying radio show. Can't let the peasants get chesty.

You do know that Hawk and BB have gone down this road a few times.

I would say Hawk came on the air at least 5 years ago and called Terry a old pervert. Nope, wasnt in the nicer sense.

Must suck to have wars with your "radio Partners" all the time,

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Didn't he come on the show one time and they made nice? I seem to remember Bernstein saying that he was always a fan of Hawk.


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Kirkwood wrote:
The time called for Hawk to put these chumps in their place. They needed a reality check. You got a guy who writes for a dying newspaper and two idiots on a rapidly dying radio show. Can't let the peasants get chesty.

You do know that Hawk and BB have gone down this road a few times.

I would say Hawk came on the air at least 5 years ago and called Terry a old pervert. Nope, wasnt in the nicer sense.

Must suck to have wars with your "radio Partners" all the time,

Not when you're undefeated.


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Didn't he come on the show one time and they made nice? I seem to remember Bernstein saying that he was always a fan of Hawk.

Maybe one of the very worst making nice's in the history of making nice.

Went right back to shitting on him, but now they do it like they like him, and it is now all fun to hear.

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Must suck to have wars with your "radio Partners" all the time,

Ask Mac.

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Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


I think Hawk's interactions with famous people are more important to him than they were to the famous person.

I have disliked the guy for a long time. I was shocked to find there are sox fans who like him. However, when your "popular" tv guy is only liked by about 50% of your loyal fans, something is wrong. JR does this all the time with people he thinks are "beloved" by the fans. They always portrayed Ozzie as some fan favorite when everyone realizes how he shit on the fans on his way out of town the first time.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?
I think he stretches the truth quite a bit. The stories seem to have gotten a little more unbelievable over the years. Whether thats just him getting older or him actually embellishing I don't think anybody knows. Although when he does talk about certain hitters he played with or pitchers he faced, he stats seem to be pretty accurate. I remember him talking about a pitcher earlier this year who he said "Wore him out" (I can't remember his name). I looked up the stats on baseball reference the next day, and Hawk was right. He was something like 3-21 against the guy.

I love Hawk. It will be a sad day when he retires/passes on.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


I think Hawk's interactions with famous people are more important to him than they were to the famous person.

I have disliked the guy for a long time. I was shocked to find there are sox fans who like him. However, when your "popular" tv guy is only liked by about 50% of your loyal fans, something is wrong. JR does this all the time with people he thinks are "beloved" by the fans. They always portrayed Ozzie as some fan favorite when everyone realizes how he shit on the fans on his way out of town the first time.

The only people I know who do not like Hawk are the ones who post here on the messageboard and the ones on WSCR.

He's right it seems about 50/50


One of my co workers likes to say that Yaz probably barely knows Hawk


The Rocky Marciano story is ridiculous

It was probably Hawk saying it to Marciano who nodded and smiled as he walked by


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good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


I think Hawk's interactions with famous people are more important to him than they were to the famous person.

I have disliked the guy for a long time. I was shocked to find there are sox fans who like him. However, when your "popular" tv guy is only liked by about 50% of your loyal fans, something is wrong. JR does this all the time with people he thinks are "beloved" by the fans. They always portrayed Ozzie as some fan favorite when everyone realizes how he shit on the fans on his way out of town the first time.



Yeah, I bet Yaz barely knows who he is. Also, I'm surprised at how many fans actually don't know about the contempt Ozzie has for them or don't care. Ozzie is a grade A douchebag and his kids are worse.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


I think Hawk's interactions with famous people are more important to him than they were to the famous person.

I have disliked the guy for a long time. I was shocked to find there are sox fans who like him. However, when your "popular" tv guy is only liked by about 50% of your loyal fans, something is wrong. JR does this all the time with people he thinks are "beloved" by the fans. They always portrayed Ozzie as some fan favorite when everyone realizes how he shit on the fans on his way out of town the first time.

The only people I know who do not like Hawk are the ones who post here on the messageboard and the ones on WSCR.


the posters at whitesoxinteractive are pretty much 50-50 with him

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good dolphin wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Hawk a liar?

Does he make a lot of these stories up?


I think Hawk's interactions with famous people are more important to him than they were to the famous person.

I have disliked the guy for a long time. I was shocked to find there are sox fans who like him. However, when your "popular" tv guy is only liked by about 50% of your loyal fans, something is wrong. JR does this all the time with people he thinks are "beloved" by the fans. They always portrayed Ozzie as some fan favorite when everyone realizes how he shit on the fans on his way out of town the first time.

The only people I know who do not like Hawk are the ones who post here on the messageboard and the ones on WSCR.


the posters at whitesoxinteractive are pretty much 50-50 with him


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