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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:38 am 
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The last time I liked a guy liked Junior Lake, his name was Felix Pie. :oops:


bad coaching. he should have been a superstar just like Corey Patterson.

Loved Corey Patterson. I'll never forget a time when he hit a Home Run and went into the middle of the dugout instead of the front so he didn't have to speak to Dusty Baker, who he was pissed at during the time :lol:

I always wondered what would have happened if he didn't injure his knee in the middle of 03.

Patterson also engaged to one of my long time crushes, Selena Collins of Team USA softball. Not sure if they ever got married.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:45 am 
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Corey Patterson is looking very white these days.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:52 am 
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Most of the baseball attention in Chicago this past weekend focused on the sputtering trade talks between the Cubs and Rangers regarding Matt Garza. However, this weekend also marked the debut of Cubs prospect Junior Lake, who hasn't received as much notice as organization-mates Jorge Soler, Albert Almora, or Javier Baez, but who is a very intriguing talent in his own right.

Lake was signed by the Cubs as a free agent from the Dominican Republic in 2007. He opened his career with a .274/.341/.404 line in the '07 Dominican Summer League, then moved up to the Arizona Rookie League in 2008, hitting .286/.335/.417. At both stops he demonstrated superior tools and athleticism (more on that below), but was raw with his hitting approach.

This rawness was exposed at Low-A Peoria in 2009: he hit .248/.277/.365 with 18 walks and 138 strikeouts in 491 plate appearances. He split his fielding time between shortstop, second base, and third base, combining for 42 errors. His tools stood out, but he had a lot of work to do.

Moved up to High-A Daytona in 2010, he improved somewhat and hit .264/.333/.398 with 35 walks and 99 strikeouts in 447 plate appearances. He split '11 between Daytona (.315/.336/.498 in 49 games) and Double-A Tennessee (.248/.300/.380 in 67 games), then put on a display in the Arizona Fall League, stealing 18 bases while hitting .296.

He returned to Tennessee in 2012, hitting .279/.341/.432 with 10 homers and 21 steals, 35 walks and 105 strikeouts in 448 plate appearances. He was hitting .295/.341/.462 with four homers and 15 steals for Triple-A Iowa before moving up to Chicago this past weekend, with 10 walks and 33 whiffs in 170 plate appearances.

All told, Lake is a career .271/.322/.411 hitter in 619 minor league games, stealing 117 bases with a 146/579 BB/K ratio in 2468 plate appearances.

Lake is a 6-3, 215 pound right-handed hitter and thrower, born March 27, 1990. The numbers are those of a guy making slow but steady progress refining his skills. That's true as far as it goes, but you really need to see Lake play to fully appreciate his potential, as well as his problems.

The tools stand out, particularly an outstanding throwing arm. He has a genuine cannon, reminding me of Shawon Dunston. Although Lake has lost some speed with maturity, he still runs well and has shown a knack for stealing bases, at times. He's physically strong and has a knack for hitting homers too, at times. The Cubs have played him all over the place; he'll make some spectacular plays at third base, shortstop, or the outfield, at times.

That's the problem with Lake: "at times." In his best moments, Lake looks like a superstar: fast, strong, a 20/20 guy with a terrific arm, like a cross between Dunston and Andre Dawson to use Cubs references. In his worst moments, Lake looks completely lost: he'll swing at a breaking pitch two feet off the plate, botch a routine defensive play, run himself into a bonehead out. Sometimes he does all of these things in the same game.


The Cubs have long hoped that Lake would iron out the flaws in his game with experience. He has made progress; the mistakes aren't quite so frequent now, although they still occur more often than they should. His swing is better than it was four years ago; he gets to his power more often now. However, pitch recognition remains a significant issue: it will be interesting to see what happens if/when major league pitchers feed him a steady diet of breaking balls.

Lake has been in professional baseball for seven years now, and it is still uncertain what kind of player he'll become. He has a window of opportunity, although with other prospects coming up behind him, he needs to take advantage of it. Having seen him play several times over the last few years, I find him a frustrating player to analyze. I've come away from games thinking he's going to be excellent, and I've come away thinking that he has no chance.

If you told me that Lake will be an All-Star four years from now, I'd believe it. If you told me he would be flailing at breaking pitches in Triple-A four years from now, I'd believe that too.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:54 am 
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We've already seen the bad running. But for the first time all year, I'm interested in the Cubs just to see what he does. You play him, and you play him every day. DeJesus can sit. And Soriano can be traded.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:59 am 
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Isn't it baffling how some guys can go a whole career and still make stupid ass decisions, throwing to the wrong base, not knowing the outs, shit like that. I mean, most people pick this shit up in little league.

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He's played infield and now trying outfield. So best case, are we talking about a more athletic Mark DeRosa? That'd be awesome.


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Thanks for that write up on Lake RPB.

Going to be an interesting one to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Isn't it baffling how some guys can go a whole career and still make stupid ass decisions, throwing to the wrong base, not knowing the outs, shit like that. I mean, most people pick this shit up in little league.


Yep,I was taught that between pitches you should always be thinking of the current situation and where will you throw the ball if it comes to you. I bet not half of today's major leaguers think about that stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I like watching Pond. Power hitters with speed and bunting ability can get a third baseman killed.

Watching the reaction of many Sox fans to the green shoots of this rebuild is almost as fun as the rebuild itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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My Aunt has a summer home on Junior Lake.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Lake was considered a decent prospect, right around the time Castro came up. They were in a race to see who would make the majors first. When Castro had the success, Lake was forced to change positions. In the early going he looks good, but the league will adjust soon. Looks like he handles the fastball, but has a tough time waiting on the offspeed stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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He was my original Starlin Castro / Albert Almora / Rich Hill / Randy Wells :(

Randy Wells huh?

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Know I've mentioned a time or two, but my guy that I wanted to become the next Cubs superstar was Derrick May. Loved the fact that my birthday was on his jersey (27).

I was a Randy Wells fan too. Admitted that the Wrigley night life experience effed him up. Wasn't right ever since.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Minor league stats suggest a reserve outfielder type, but who knows?


I agree, maybe a starter for one year on a bad team, but if he gets lucky he could be Jim Edmonds. Or at least the Black version

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Know I've mentioned a time or two, but my guy that I wanted to become the next Cubs superstar was Derrick May. Loved the fact that my birthday was on his jersey (27).

I was a Randy Wells fan too. Admitted that the Wrigley night life experience effed him up. Wasn't right ever since.

I thought Derrick May was the goods. Also....Ced Landrum.... :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Like a boss. Another hit in his 1st AB tonight. Jesus is back and Soriano is out of the lineup and packing his bags.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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See when I made the J Lake o meter I figured .529 would be the peak



Crazy start. If they're training guys to hit .600 I like their chances


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When Chicago school children are taught about the Great Lakes, will they begin with Lake Michigan, Lake Erie, Lake Superior or Junior Lake? I'll hang up and listen for the answer....

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If they're training guys to hit .600 I like their chances


Agreed. I underestimated the value of developing guys that can hit .593.

Really. Smart. Guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Only 2-5 for Lake last night. He won't be keeping that .593 average with nights like that. Disappointing.


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If this guy came up for another team, some other fans would be spouting their farm system as some incredible production line of talent that "The experts" dont know anything about.

All that said, I would trade him today!

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Too late for the All-Star team, but maybe he can be MVP??

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Too late for the All-Star team, but maybe he can be MVP??

Everyone cant be PED user Tyler Flowers

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You'll have to explain that jab to me, cuz I don't get it.

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If this guy came up for another team, some other fans would be spouting their farm system as some incredible production line of talent that "The experts" dont know anything about.

All that said, I would trade him today!

that could be a rather useful cut and save quote, bigfan.

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This morning Hanley asked Godon Wittenmeyer if Lake could be a 40/40 guy. Wow. Just......wow.


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This morning Hanley asked Godon Wittenmeyer if Lake could be a 40/40 guy. Wow. Just......wow.

That was an incredibly stupid question.


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