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Right back at you, Phil Emery. And welcome back to the NFL, Marc Trestman.

The Chicago Bears won't stage their first practice of training camp until Friday, but already they've had one prominent player challenge general manager Emery's temporary hold on contract negotiations and at the very least set an off-field tone for Trestman's first camp as the team's head coach.

Bears place-kicker Robbie Gould spoke extensively about the topic Wednesday night on ESPN 1000 in Chicago. He was respectful of the franchise but questioned Emery's contention that a tight salary cap has limited his options. Ultimately, Gould said, the approach will cost the team more money to keep the players it wants and implied that others will have divided motivation this season as a result.

"At the end of the day if you have all these guys [unsigned], they have to take care of No. 1," Gould told ESPN 1000 co-hosts Jeff Dickerson and Michael C. Wright.
The wound is clearly fresh for Gould, who acknowledged that he approached the Bears earlier this month to extend a contract that will pay him $2.925 million this season before expiring. The Bears rebuffed him because "they said there was no money," according to Gould.

Kicker Robbie Gould said the Bears' unwillingness to talk contracts now will cost them in the long term, and could affect the 2013 season, too.At last check, the Bears had about $1.6 million in salary-cap space available for 2013. That's barely enough to sign emergency replacements during the season. But as we have learned many times, NFL teams can create space whenever it's important enough to them to do it.

"Let me put it to you this way," Gould said. "If they wanted a guy, they’re going to find a way to sign him if it meant that much to them."
Gould will turn 32 in December, which is about middle age in kicking terms, and predicted he will be the most sought-after place-kicker on the free-agent market in 2014.

"I'm not too worried about it if they will re-sign me or not because I have all the leverage," he said. "If they don't want to re-sign me now it's going to cost them double at the end of the year.

"If they were smart they would try to get their core group of players and re-sign them before the end of the year and try to make it work, but a lot of us are sitting in a great position. You might see a lot of guys exit the Bears, [so] this year has to be pretty special, because if it doesn’t go as well as planned I can see them completely rebuilding. Or they might find a couple guys they think is their core group and get rid of some of the other higher-paid guys."


Everything Gould said Wednesday night rings true to me, and it falls in line with what we discussed earlier Wednesday. Emery's approach is defensible in the big-picture sense of responsibly building a roster, but it risks a negative reaction among players that could affect short-term success.

I'm not surprised at all that Gould feels the way he does, but it's unusual to hear it articulated publicly so early in the process. I know that he is the Bears' player representative and has made strong public statements before, but I was still a little surprised to hear such an extensive discussion on the topic on the eve of training camp.

Uncertain contract situations can consume teams just as easily as it can motivate them. In his first NFL training camp in nearly a decade, it will be up to Trestman to keep players focused on the field as much as their finances. Have fun with that one.


I think Robbie Gould's mind is in la-la land. Not sure if he knows what he's talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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I think he makes some decent points. If I was a player, it would look to me like the Bears are planning for a major overhaul after the year is over.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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I think he makes some decent points. If I was a player, it would look to me like the Bears are planning for a major overhaul after the year is over.

He does. But to me it gets lost in the jilted crazy girlfriend shit like this:

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"I'm not too worried about it if they will re-sign me or not because I have all the leverage," he said. "If they don't want to re-sign me now it's going to cost them double at the end of the year.


Dude, you're a kicker. Check yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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I have never been one to really say a player owes a team much, but this fucktard was working a construction job for $20 an hour when he got the Bears call, then they made him the leagues highest paid kicker? or close to it.

Even if he does have leverage and wants a deal cut, keep it to yourself you moron.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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Kirkwood wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think he makes some decent points. If I was a player, it would look to me like the Bears are planning for a major overhaul after the year is over.

He does. But it to me it gets lost in the jilted crazy girlfriend shit like this:

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"I'm not too worried about it if they will re-sign me or not because I have all the leverage," he said. "If they don't want to re-sign me now it's going to cost them double at the end of the year.


Dude, you're a kicker. Check yourself.

I don't necessarily read him as trying to be Mr. Big Shot with that statement but simply making a point about the way the terms of negotiation will change at the end of the year.


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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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I get where he is coming from, but the Bears have 11 starters on 1 year deals and less than $2mm in cap room this season. To start giving out some deals, and not others, would probably piss off a lot of players.


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I get where he is coming from, but the Bears have 11 starters on 1 year deals and less than $2mm in cap room this season. To start giving out some deals, and not others, would probably piss off a lot of players.


That's a good point.

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Also, I think the most alarming thing about this is that he's implying guys will do what's best for them, and not necessarily what's best for the team, since they're unsigned and angling for that next contract. Now this could mean unsigned players will look to put up big numbers, but it also could mean they're not going to put themselves in harm's way in order to avoid what may look like a serious injury.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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Also, I think the most alarming thing about this is that he's implying guys will do what's best for them, and not necessarily what's best for the team, since they're unsigned and angling for that next contract. Now this could mean unsigned players will look to put up big numbers, but it also could mean they're not going to put themselves in harm's way in order to avoid what may look like a serious injury.
As they should.

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Also, I think the most alarming thing about this is that he's implying guys will do what's best for them, and not necessarily what's best for the team, since they're unsigned and angling for that next contract. Now this could mean unsigned players will look to put up big numbers, but it also could mean they're not going to put themselves in harm's way in order to avoid what may look like a serious injury.


As they should.


Sure, but what I meant was a certain kind of paranoia that's not always warranted, but only exists due to future financial insecurity.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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Sure, but what I meant was a certain kind of paranoia that's not always warranted, but only exists due to future financial insecurity.
Well, I think it would be warranted. New coach. Relatively new GM. It's a strange situation because it's rare when a coach is fired after going 10-6. Most of the time the housecleaning is needed based on the play on the field.

This year is going to be incredibly weird. It's not only a tryout for individual players, but the team has to do well for it to matter since many are old enough to make it worth the cost if they aren't winning.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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Let me know when an actual football player speaks out about it not the kicker.

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I think this is a good policy. All the chips on the line. Show us what you got.

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Gould is right. Dissension will tear this team apart. Well that and a dumbass weirdo GM.

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Heard the full clip today. One part that stood out was the asshole-ish way he said "I wouldn't want to be Phil Emery right now." I wouldn't have said that.


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Sounds like a an idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off.

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Sounds like a an idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off.

:lol: truth

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A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..

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A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..

Gould is a really good kicker. He should cool it with the tough talk though. Maybe sit a few plays out and stop talking for awhile.

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Older guy, coming off an injury and cant kick FGs over 50 yds. I'll take my chances with someone else next season.

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A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..
You won't be laughing when the Bears admit that Gould is our franchise player.

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 Post subject: Re: Robbie Gould
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A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..

Gould is a really good kicker. He should cool it with the tough talk though. Maybe sit a few plays out and stop talking for awhile.

That's crazy talk. If he isn't on the field every down next season, this team is screwed.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..
You won't be laughing when the Bears admit that Gould is our franchise player.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..
You won't be laughing when the Bears admit that Gould is our franchise player.


You see our offense has undergone a paradigm shift and the previous synergy with special teams is no longer our highest priority. We are going to review the organization's best practices and find out what deliverables are truly valuable. Our core competencies dont align with your skill set any longer, good luck in the future Mr Gould.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
A good kicker is a a luxury to have. The Bears are angling to be the kind of offense that doesnt need a great kicker. Anyone can hit extra points..
You won't be laughing when the Bears admit that Gould is our franchise player.


You see our offense has undergone a paradigm shift and the previous synergy with special teams is no longer our highest priority. We are going to review the organization's best practices and find out what deliverables are truly valuable. Our core competencies dont align with your skill set any longer, good luck in the future Mr Gould.

Boom Shaka Laka :lol:

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You guys have it wrong. In the CFL, kickers are your most valuable players, and they are also the mascots and referees.

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I've heard about enough from this jagoff. Shut up & kick, preferably for a different team.

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You could say all the same stuff about the Jay Cutler situation (and it would have 20x more force there).

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I've heard about enough from this jagoff. Shut up & kick, preferably for a different team.


That jagoff put the Bears in the Superbowl.

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