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Jed/Theo vs. Hahnjob
Poll ended at Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:18 am
Cubs 82%  82%  [ 9 ]
Sox 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:12 am 
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The con is in the idea that the restaurant has to feed you food that will get you sick for four years so one day they can serve you a gourmet dinner. I just don't believe that. And I'm not suggesting what the Cubs are doing isn't the smartest thing for Joe Ricketts' pocketbook. But my interests aren't his. And neither are yours.

Frankly, I don't care what the Cubs do. My issue is when I have to hear and read that this way is "the right way". And that the team that I buy tickets to watch every year should do something similar. It may be the right way for the Cubs. They have a lot of fans that come each summer to enjoy a truly old ballpark and the actually quality of baseball is immaterial to them. That's a luxury few teams have and it's allowing Wrigley not to look like the ballpark in Miami with all those empty seats or the one eight miles south that is likely to be nearly empty the rest of the way out.

Incidentally, I heard this on the Score's Business Report yesterday and I found it somewhat odd. The Sox have sold more team license plates than the Cubs. I don't take that as evidence of anything really, but it's always been a foregone conclusion that the Cubs "have more fans than the Sox". I'm not sure that's true. They have more people that go to games.*


* Before redskingreg chimes in: Fans go to games, but one needn't be a fan to attend. Lots of people come to Addison and Clark to see that building. Just yesterday morning I saw three guys photographing it.



Don't buy tickets. No one is making people keep or buy tickets. To be honest, after years on the waiting list, I finally came due to get season tickets the year Theo started. I passed, because I didn't think it would be worth it. And I like Theo.

You need to keep your argument to "it's the wrong method if they want to win." No one can dispute that. But you're trying to take it further, and I'm losing you.


I don't know if it's the "wrong method if they want to win". They may win and they may not. Just like the Sox won doing what they did in 2005 and they lost in 2007 doing the same thing and they had respectable teams in other years.

But that "don't buy tickets" thing doesn't fly. That's what makes the mare go. You want someone else to buy tickets. And don't say you don't, because if no one else did the Cubs cease to exist.


Of course I do. I don't know what that implies though.


I'm confused as to what you're arguing now.


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The team is shitty and the Cubs are selling a shit-ton less tickets than during the Hendry era and making a lot less money. It's exactly as you would expect.


But they're still the most profitable team in baseball. Attendance is down all over.

You don't know this. Financial statements in professional sports are extremely dubious.

I mean, the Blackhawks haven't turned a profit in years!


That's a fair point. But in any case, the Cubs are highly profitable. Probably more than they show.

Oh definitely. The media in Chicago has been duped by the "Ricketts are sweating their financial position with the low attendance". The Cubs are averaging 30K even with losing 100+ games. Add in the lower payroll he's pocketing and he's doing very well.


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Bucky Chris wrote:

Of course I do. I don't know what that implies though.


I'm confused as to what you're arguing now.


Okay, so you're relying on someone else to buy the tickets so the plan you support can be carried out. You may not be getting conned but you better hope someone is.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Of course I do. I don't know what that implies though.


I'm confused as to what you're arguing now.


Okay, so you're relying on someone else to buy the tickets so the plan you support can be carried out. You may not be getting conned but you better hope someone is.


I am relying on others, and it's working. That's the benefit of having a lot of fans.


And it's not a con. I went to a Cubs game and thoroughly enjoyed myself and they got their ass kicked. I wasn't conned at all.

And don't forget about brokers.


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Oh definitely. The media in Chicago has been duped by the "Ricketts are sweating their financial position with the low attendance". The Cubs are averaging 30K even with losing 100+ games. Add in the lower payroll he's pocketing and he's doing very well.


The Cubs have some advantages that most other teams do not. If that allows them to lose 100 games a couple times on purpose in search of greater glory somewhere down the road, more power to them. It may indeed be "the right way" for Chicago National League Baseball Club, Inc. But it isn't a universal "right way".

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Oh definitely. The media in Chicago has been duped by the "Ricketts are sweating their financial position with the low attendance". The Cubs are averaging 30K even with losing 100+ games. Add in the lower payroll he's pocketing and he's doing very well.


The Cubs have some advantages that most other teams do not. If that allows them to lose 100 games a couple times on purpose in search of greater glory somewhere down the road, more power to them. It may indeed be "the right way" for Chicago National League Baseball Club, Inc. But it isn't a universal "right way".


1000% agree


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Incidentally, I heard this on the Score's Business Report yesterday and I found it somewhat odd. The Sox have sold more team license plates than the Cubs.

Sox fans fly the colors a bit more in my experience and that exploded with the 2005 World Series win.


Im not sure what the numbers are. Id guess its like 60-40


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It's never OK to lose PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT.


Like someone else mentioned,I could give a rats ass how good the farm system teams are. I root for the Chicago Cubs and this shit is painful to watch.

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It's never OK to lose PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT.


Like someone else mentioned,I could give a rats ass how good the farm system teams are. I root for the Chicago Cubs and this shit is painful to watch.


If you're suggesting a team should never rebuild, you can't be my GM.


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