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Is Homosexuality curable or treatable through therapy?
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No it would not be up to the states about Black people because it was enumerated in the Constitution that they where not counted as a full person. Therefore it was a Federal issue,hence the reason there needed to be an amendment to the Constitution for it. And once that was done Federal law trumps State or local law.
For someone who likes to argue about the Constitution you sure do not know a lot about it and how it works.

Yes more people voted for Dems in the 2012 election, but not in enough districts to change the make-up of the House to give it to them.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:40 pm 
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No it would not be up to the states about Black people because it was enumerated in the Constitution that they where not counted as a full person. Therefore it was a Federal issue,hence the reason there needed to be an amendment to the Constitution for it. And once that was done Federal law trumps State or local law.
For someone who likes to argue about the Constitution you sure do not know a lot about it and how it works.

Yes more people voted for Dems in the 2012 election, but not in enough districts to change the make-up of the House to give it to them.

Ahhhh so because of gerrymandering you're ok with the outcome. No matter that the outcome is not the will of the majority.


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Gays marrying would not negatively affect anyone's rights.

A national vote would clearly favor gay marriage.

The Constitution protects the rights of minorities from tyranny of the majority. Butt fucking is not tyranny.


Then do it.
It would affect people in the pocket book and such. Listen I am all in favor of it,just do not tell me I have to be cool with it. It is against my religious beliefs. That is all I am going to talk about religion here as in this conversation it does not pertain.

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No it would not be up to the states about Black people because it was enumerated in the Constitution that they where not counted as a full person. Therefore it was a Federal issue,hence the reason there needed to be an amendment to the Constitution for it. And once that was done Federal law trumps State or local law.
For someone who likes to argue about the Constitution you sure do not know a lot about it and how it works.

Yes more people voted for Dems in the 2012 election, but not in enough districts to change the make-up of the House to give it to them.

Ahhhh so because of gerrymandering you're ok with the outcome. No matter that the outcome is not the will of the majority.


This conversation is over you are clearly an ignorant moron who just wants to argue and not have a rational discussion.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:52 pm 
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No it would not be up to the states about Black people because it was enumerated in the Constitution that they where not counted as a full person. Therefore it was a Federal issue,hence the reason there needed to be an amendment to the Constitution for it. And once that was done Federal law trumps State or local law.
For someone who likes to argue about the Constitution you sure do not know a lot about it and how it works.

Yes more people voted for Dems in the 2012 election, but not in enough districts to change the make-up of the House to give it to them.

Ahhhh so because of gerrymandering you're ok with the outcome. No matter that the outcome is not the will of the majority.


This conversation is over you are clearly an ignorant moron who just wants to argue and not have a rational discussion.

No Chas. I'm dealing in facts. And I'm proving you to be an idiot so now you are pissy.


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If I were gay, I would.

Who is "forcing" you to be okay with it?

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I can't lie, Mcnown. Your constant antagonism is as annoying as any opinion on this board. Argue issues, for fuck sake.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:57 pm 
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If I were gay, I would.

Who is "forcing" you to be okay with it?

Nobody is forcing him to be OK with it. Chas is mad at people forcing him to accept that people he doesn't like have the same rights as he does. When he got trounced on that he changed the topic. When he got his teeth kicked in on the new topic he took his ball and went home.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:58 pm 
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I can't lie, Mcnown. Your constant antagonism is as annoying as any opinion on this board. Argue issues, for fuck sake.

Your opinion will be duly noted.


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If I were gay, I would.

Who is "forcing" you to be okay with it?


Good question.
For starters the activists who say Christianity is a religion of hate because it says homosexuality is wrong and immoral.
The entertainment industry who portray homosexuality as normal and natural.

Once again I will state I am not your judge. That is for someone greater than me to do.

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So, no one is forcing you to be okay with it. Thanks.

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If I were gay, I would.

Who is "forcing" you to be okay with it?


Good question.
For starters the activists who say Christianity is a religion of hate because it says homosexuality is wrong and immoral.
The entertainment industry who portray homosexuality as normal and natural.

Once again I will state I am not your judge. That is for someone greater than me to do.


And if you are a Christian then you believe that we are all created in God's image. So if you're gay, God wanted you that way. And he's not gonna judge you any less for it.


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Chas, why are you okay with religious activists judging others if judging is wrong?

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Chas, why are you okay with religious activists judging others if judging is wrong?


That kind of judging is ok.

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Chas, why are you okay with religious activists judging others if judging is wrong?


I do not think I am or have ever espoused that except when it affects morality issues you know the whole Give unto Caesar what is Caesars' and give unto God what is God's. I am also a big believer in "How can you take out the mote in your neighbors eye when you have plank in yours". I can also throw in the one about throwing the first stone. If you mean judging by what is in the Bible then it does say that Teachers of the word and followers have to point out to sinners their sin and preach to them the Good Word. So I guess I am at best conflicted.

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Dumb question here but since i assume all arguments against recognizing same sex marriage ground themselves in religion, then why do those who oppose LGBT rights on private, moral grounds extend their opposition to the legal ( ie secular) realm wherein, I suppose, they have no grounds to do so? Genuine dumb question here, not trying to be passive-aggressively confrontational.

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I disagree with you on pretty much everything, Chas. With that said, you still seem to be much more self-aware than many of your Christian bretheren. No sarcasm.

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Dumb question here but since i assume all arguments against recognizing same sex marriage ground themselves in religion, then why do those who oppose LGBT rights on private, moral grounds extend their opposition to the legal ( ie secular) realm wherein, I suppose, they have no grounds to do so? Genuine dumb question here, not trying to be passive-aggressively confrontational.


Ha. While I agree, Vegan, welcome to my never-ending conundrum.

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Dumb question here but since i assume all arguments against recognizing same sex marriage ground themselves in religion, then why do those who oppose LGBT rights on private, moral grounds extend their opposition to the legal ( ie secular) realm wherein, I suppose, they have no grounds to do so? Genuine dumb question here, not trying to be passive-aggressively confrontational.


Good question,I know for myself a lot of the opposition would melt away if they did not call it marriage.
Make civil union as strong legally as marriage and you would cut the legs out from most opponents.
Many also see it as more erosion of morality in the country. I also noticed that there was in Mass the first same sex divorce,so for all that fighting it lasted at most what 2 years? The only ones who really want all this same sex legal equality are the lawyers.

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I disagree with you on pretty much everything, Chas. With that said, you still seem to be much more self-aware than many of your Christian bretheren. No sarcasm.


I try to be honest. I know Christianity can sometimes be conflicting and seem off. But if you go to what is in the Bible more than what men have said it is a fairly simple religion,plus I mix-in a little Buddhism.
I want to get my hands on a copy of Jeffersons' Bible. I also really am not a fan of Paul,he was a fanatic. You know why he did all his journeys'? Because the 12 wanted him out of the way cuse they thought he was too fervent a follower.

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Paying for sex is a sin.


Yes it is. Never said I was perfect. By you posting that you yourself committed a sin. Did you know that?

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Whatever man. You live your life I will live mine. You seem to presume a lot on that statement pal.

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I'm presuming nothing. If you're even 25% as intolerant in person as you are on this board... you're not gathering too many friends. Or people who want to associate with you in even the most minimal fashion.

I'm pretty sure Christianity doesn't preach incessant hate.


Chas is relatively mild in that regard and by this board's standards.

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I'm presuming nothing. If you're even 25% as intolerant in person as you are on this board... you're not gathering too many friends. Or people who want to associate with you in even the most minimal fashion.

I'm pretty sure Christianity doesn't preach incessant hate.


How am I intolerant? Seriously? Also hate? That is a very strong word my friend. I only hate those who deserve it. Please explain your position and viewpoint.

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I also really am not a fan of Paul,he was a fanatic. You know why he did all his journeys'? Because the 12 wanted him out of the way cuse they thought he was too fervent a follower.


He traveled because he was the Apostle to the Gentiles and his mission was to preach the Gospel to the people outside of Israel.

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I also really am not a fan of Paul,he was a fanatic. You know why he did all his journeys'? Because the 12 wanted him out of the way cuse they thought he was too fervent a follower.


He traveled because he was the Apostle to the Gentiles and his mission was to preach the Gospel to the people outside of Israel.


Dude,that is mainstream. Look into some of the early writings. Him and James the Greater had major disagreements on things so he was basically booted out of Jerusalem

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In this and some other recent threads I notice some things that parallel what I see in the general world especially social media. There has been a clear shift of acceptance for a lot of things, in this case gays. Of course this is good. I also notice though a lack of acceptance or maybe respect for the peoe that have religious views.

I am pretty agnostic so I don't have a dog in the fight but I doubt in most circles you could speak about gay or other views the way some talk about religious ones.

I partially agree with this.

I agree that Christianity is a lot more acceptable to mock as a demographic than almost every other demo in this PC world. However, the Christians that teach hate and intolerance are only perpetuating the idea that its ok to mock them. After all, we have no problems mocking/insulting groups like the KKK.

The other contrast that is immediately noticeable between gays and evangelicals is just how much more aggressive, insulting, and controlling one group is. We don't really have gay people openly wondering if faith in God is curable. We don't really have gay people telling evangelicals that any public display of faith should be banned because its offensive to the community. We don't really have gay people trying to lobby and influence Congress in an attempt to control people's lives. Most importantly, we don't have evangelical Christians fighting not to be treated as second class citizens in regards to the people they love.

So, I agree that they are not treated equally mike. But I also don't think they should be.


Really then why all the lawsuits and shit about Nativity scenes? Did you follow the Gay Marriage debate in California,the LBGT community was laying into the Mormons pretty hard. Trying to lobby Congress? What about all the shit about the defense of marriage act and that nonsense? You are looking at the situation in a real narrow viewpoint.
This is very much of a small percentage of the community trying to tell the majority they way to think and act. They are trying to tell me that I should accept and be okay with how they want to live their lives and conduct themselves. If it was just confined to the bedroom then it would not be a big deal,when it is out in public and forced upon me then I have a problem. I do not like to eat fish,it is as if someone told me I had to eat fish no matter how I felt about it.


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I don't really understand how this is in question. Any of these groups you can put a "the" in front of can be changed. The Gays, the Mexicans, the Catholics, the Australians, the Blacks, the Whites, the Jews, the Sox Fans, the Muslims, the Wrestling Fans, the Filthy Dutch, the Baptists, etc.

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Make civil union as strong legally as marriage and you would cut the legs out from most opponents.
Many also see it as more erosion of morality in the country. I also noticed that there was in Mass the first same sex divorce,so for all that fighting it lasted at most what 2 years? The only ones who really want all this same sex legal equality are the lawyers.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:47 pm 
Chas not being a dick with this one, but a question. Matthew 25 whatsoever you do to the least o my people you do unto me. Why would you want anybody to be looked down upon for their own beliefs? And why would you want any government, state or federal to declare someone's beliefs to be wrong?


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