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Congressman Confronts Park Ranger Over Closed WWII Memorial
By Mark Segraves
Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 • Updated 9:45 AM EDT

Conflict over the responsibility for the government shutdown got personal at the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. Wednesday when a member of Congress confronted a U.S. Park Service Ranger over access to the closed park land.

The congressman was Randy Neugebauer, a Republican representing Texas. He confronted the ranger in the middle of a crowd of tourists as she was keeping most of the public out of the closed World War II memorial.

The Park Service has been allowing World War II vets who have traveled from all over the country to enter the memorial, even though it's closed during the government shutdown; the rangers say they are exercising their First Amendment rights as they let the veterans in.

But they are keeping the rest of the public out of the facility, which is officially closed. And that did not sit well with the congressman, reported News4's Mark Segraves, who witnessed the confrontation.

"How do you look at them and... deny them access?" said Neugebauer. He, with most House Republicans, had voted early Sunday morning to pass a funding measure that would delay the Affordable Care Act, a vote that set up a showdown with the Senate and President Barack Obama. With the parties unable to agree on how to fund the federal government, non-essential government functions shut down Tuesday.

"It's difficult," responded the Park Service employee.

"Well, it should be difficult," replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket.

"It is difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "I'm sorry, sir."

"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

"I'm not ashamed," replied the ranger.

At that point, a crowd of onlookers got involved. "Ask those questions of the people who aren't passing the budget," shouted a voice from the crowd. "That's who you need to ask these questions to."

"This woman is doing her job, just like me," shouted another. "I'm a 30-year federal veteran -- I'm out of work."

The man, wearing a bicycle helmet, at this point was face to face with the congressman.

"Well, the reason you are is because Mr. Reid decided to shut down the government," responded Neugebauer, referring to the top Senate Democrat.

"No, it's because the government won't do its job and pass a budget," the bicyclist responded.

"The House did its job; it passed appropriations. The Senate hasn't," said another voice from the crowd.

Neugebauer walked away at that point.

The veterans were in D.C. thanks to the Honor Flight Network, which provides flights to D.C. for veterans so they can visit the memorials. Thousands of vets are still on their way to D.C. this weekend as part of the program.


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I place 100% of the blame for this on the Democrats.

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Congressman Confronts Park Ranger Over Closed WWII Memorial
By Mark Segraves
Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 • Updated 9:45 AM EDT

Conflict over the responsibility for the government shutdown got personal at the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. Wednesday when a member of Congress confronted a U.S. Park Service Ranger over access to the closed park land.

The congressman was Randy Neugebauer, a Republican representing Texas. He confronted the ranger in the middle of a crowd of tourists as she was keeping most of the public out of the closed World War II memorial.

The Park Service has been allowing World War II vets who have traveled from all over the country to enter the memorial, even though it's closed during the government shutdown; the rangers say they are exercising their First Amendment rights as they let the veterans in.

But they are keeping the rest of the public out of the facility, which is officially closed. And that did not sit well with the congressman, reported News4's Mark Segraves, who witnessed the confrontation.

"How do you look at them and... deny them access?" said Neugebauer. He, with most House Republicans, had voted early Sunday morning to pass a funding measure that would delay the Affordable Care Act, a vote that set up a showdown with the Senate and President Barack Obama. With the parties unable to agree on how to fund the federal government, non-essential government functions shut down Tuesday.

"It's difficult," responded the Park Service employee.

"Well, it should be difficult," replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket.

"It is difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "I'm sorry, sir."

"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

"I'm not ashamed," replied the ranger.

At that point, a crowd of onlookers got involved. "Ask those questions of the people who aren't passing the budget," shouted a voice from the crowd. "That's who you need to ask these questions to."

"This woman is doing her job, just like me," shouted another. "I'm a 30-year federal veteran -- I'm out of work."

The man, wearing a bicycle helmet, at this point was face to face with the congressman.

"Well, the reason you are is because Mr. Reid decided to shut down the government," responded Neugebauer, referring to the top Senate Democrat.

"No, it's because the government won't do its job and pass a budget," the bicyclist responded.

"The House did its job; it passed appropriations. The Senate hasn't," said another voice from the crowd.

Neugebauer walked away at that point.

The veterans were in D.C. thanks to the Honor Flight Network, which provides flights to D.C. for veterans so they can visit the memorials. Thousands of vets are still on their way to D.C. this weekend as part of the program.


Asshole.



The WWII memorial is an open air site that you can walk through at any other time without the need or assistance of a Park Ranger.

That the site is always open, yet somehow "closed" now is the real issue.

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Are you suggesting that the Park Services Department is behind the shutdown in hopes of secretly making the public more accustomed to seeing Rangers?

Cause if so, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot


Wouldn't they normally be unmanned because they're open and have Rangers there now because they're closed?

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot


Wouldn't they normally be unmanned because they're open and have Rangers there now because they're closed?


Wally World was manned while it was closed for renovations. "Sorry folks, park's closed."

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot


Wouldn't they normally be unmanned because they're open and have Rangers there now because they're closed?


Wally World was manned while it was closed for renovations. "Sorry folks, park's closed."


IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot


Wouldn't they normally be unmanned because they're open and have Rangers there now because they're closed?


Didn't your story say that there was a Ranger a present. :?

And what was Rongey doing in DC anyway?

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Yes.

Because it is closed.

Except for the flying veterans.

Are you ok?

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Takes a real pindicked faggy cocksucker to bully a broad about something he was directly part of fucking up, not her.

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Takes a real pindicked faggy cocksucker to bully a broad about something he was directly part of fucking up, not her.


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Nomination denied. Why is an open air site closed when no one normally patrols it?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?


This and have read this at other normally unmanned places. Even mt Vernon which is privately funded but park service has parking lot


Wouldn't they normally be unmanned because they're open and have Rangers there now because they're closed?


Are you saying we can afford to protect it when the government is shut down but we don't need to protect it when it's not? It's quite confusing, really. It's pretty clear barricading these memorials was a naked attempt to embarrass Republicans that didn't work.

I will accept your Douchebagging of a Republican congressman just on general principle, however.

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The White House tried to make the Repubkicans look bad and it backfired. There aren't guards normally, why now?




The White House has nothing to do with it. its standard procedure. Maintenance personnel arent allowed and the Park Service cant respond if the park is closed but remain open for any pedestrians. This is more legal mumbo jumbo than anything. Just because there's no Park Service there 24/7 doesnt mean they dont have liability. They are now there BECAUSE the locations ARE closed. Research people. Facts! Not FOX. If someone were mugged or killed or if something were vandalized, you all would be bitching that these places should have been closed and barricaded.

Or its BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

TO Say Obama or the White House ordered this is crazy talk. You would have to then believe they would have to have strategized this plan during a day when hundreds of more important things to do would be put to the side. Thats just not rational.


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Nomination denied. Why is an open air site closed when no one normally patrols it?


The nomination is for a politician who was directly responsible for the site being closed being an asshole to someone who had nothing to do with it being closed.

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The White House has nothing to do with it. its standard procedure. Maintenance personnel arent allowed and the Park Service cant respond if the park is closed but remain open for any pedestrians. This is more legal mumbo jumbo than anything. Just because there's no Park Service there 24/7 doesnt mean they dont have liability. They are now there BECAUSE the locations ARE closed. Research people. Facts! Not FOX. If someone were mugged or killed or if something were vandalized, you all would be bitching that these places should have been closed and barricaded.
This is crazy talk. There are people stationed there not letting people in but they can't have enough people there to stop murders at the site?
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TO Say Obama or the White House ordered this is crazy talk. You would have to then believe they would have to have strategized this plan during a day when hundreds of more important things to do would be put to the side. Thats just not rational.
It is a pretty standard plan.

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I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation
I'm convinced this is less about the Republicans caring about a temporary image hit and more about avoiding the grandstanding celebrations that would be going on otherwise as Democrats celebrated the great victory they achieved.

This could have been like an election night scene for Democrats.

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I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation


So does the White House. The fact is, the reason behind "shutting down" government is a lack of funds. That being the case, how can they find the funds to put park rangers in places they wouldn't normally be? It would be like if the CBOT shut down because it was broke but suddenly they put three armed guards around the horse.

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I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation
I'm convinced this is less about the Republicans caring about a temporary image hit and more about avoiding the grandstanding celebrations that would be going on otherwise as Democrats celebrated the great victory they achieved.

This could have been like an election night scene for Democrats.

I think Obama is winning the p.r. battle.

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I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation


So does the White House. The fact is, the reason behind "shutting down" government is a lack of funds. That being the case, how can they find the funds to put park rangers in places they wouldn't normally be? It would be like if the CBOT shut down because it was broke but suddenly they put three armed guards around the horse.

There's always a cookie jar for political posturing


But really, the republicans have no point here.

They are the little kid who lost and are attempting to take their ball and bat and go home but the ball and bat is not even theirs!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation
I'm convinced this is less about the Republicans caring about a temporary image hit and more about avoiding the grandstanding celebrations that would be going on otherwise as Democrats celebrated the great victory they achieved.

This could have been like an election night scene for Democrats.

I think Obama is winning the p.r. battle.

Im not sure what the Republican motivations are, it doesnt really make sense.
This is his signature legislation and he can't celebrate it. He was in line for a big bump that may last until the next election. That is pretty much gone.

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Im not sure what the Republican motivations are, it doesnt really make sense.


Your Government Is Our Leverage

Republicans say they’ll extend the shutdown as a weapon in the debt ceiling fight.

By William Saletan

Three days into the federal shutdown, Republicans are beginning to admit that, contrary to everything they told us, they didn’t really close the government to stop Obamacare. They did it, and will keep doing it, to gain leverage in the coming fight over the debt ceiling. The government will stay shut for the next two weeks so that the GOP can accumulate power.

This isn’t Democratic spin. It’s what Republicans themselves are telling reporters, particularly the conservative media. Last night in the Washington Examiner, David Drucker reported:

House GOP leaders and most of their rank and file never supported conservatives' efforts to use the budget bill and the threat of a government shutdown to defund Obamacare … But having gone as far as they have, House Republicans now say they won't back down. And they expect to score political points in the process.
The real target, according to Drucker’s sources, is the deadline for raising the debt ceiling, which is two weeks away:

[House] Republicans said Wednesday that the spending impasse that shut down the government early Tuesday is less about conservatives' desire to derail Obamacare than it is about strengthening their hand in the debt-ceiling talks. … “We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
Drucker’s account matches what Republicans are telling other outlets. In the Washington Post, Paul Kane reports that House Speaker John Boehner never wanted to use the shutdown threat to stop Obamacare. Nevertheless, Boehner joined this assault in order to head off a “rebellion” in his caucus. As a result, the speaker has:

kept sending the Senate bills that would completely defund or delay the health-care law, knowing it would lead to a shutdown. … Now that Boehner has survived several days of the shutdown, his friends say there is no point in moving a clean funding resolution. They said the shutdown is leverage in talks with Obama and the Democrats about lifting the debt ceiling.
On Wednesday, according to Robert Costa of the National Review, “Boehner called groups of members to his Capitol office all day, taking their temperature on the shutdown and the debt limit. It became clear, members say, that Boehner’s chief goal is conference unity as the debt limit nears.” In the Hill, Molly Hooper found the GOP abandoning its original message:

Republicans, including those same conservatives, attempted to shift the conversation away from defunding ObamaCare to larger items such as entitlement spending and tax reform. … Stutzman added that those same conservatives essentially stopped talking as much about ObamaCare and have moved on to broader economic matters.
What do these reports tell us? Two things. First, Boehner lied. Here’s what he told the country on Monday, the day before the shutdown:

I didn’t come here to shut down the government. I came here to fight for a smaller, less costly, and more accountable federal government. But here we find ourselves in this moment dealing with a law that’s causing unknown consequences and unknown damage to the American people and to our economy. And that issue is Obamacare. … This is not about me, and it’s not about Republicans here in Congress. It’s about fairness for the American people.
There’s no way to square that statement with the latest disclosures. Boehner never believed in trading the shutdown threat for Obamacare. He knew what he’d get was a shutdown.

Second, contrary to what he told us, it’s all about Republicans in Congress. By their own paraphrased admissions, it’s “about strengthening their hand in the debt-ceiling talks.” It’s “leverage” in the debt ceiling fight. They knew that the deadline for that fight was Oct. 17. Yet they choked off government funding on Tuesday, under the pretense of stopping Obamacare. Today is Oct. 3. Republicans are prepared to keep the government closed for at least two more weeks, just to gain the upper hand in a future confrontation.

Remember when these guys captured the House? They said they weren’t coming here to play the Washington game. What an excellent joke.


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But really, the republicans have no point here.

They are the little kid who lost and are attempting to take their ball and bat and go home but the ball and bat is not even theirs!


As simple - and correct - as it gets.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think Republicans look horrible in this whole situation
I'm convinced this is less about the Republicans caring about a temporary image hit and more about avoiding the grandstanding celebrations that would be going on otherwise as Democrats celebrated the great victory they achieved.

This could have been like an election night scene for Democrats.

I think Obama is winning the p.r. battle.

Im not sure what the Republican motivations are, it doesnt really make sense.
This is his signature legislation and he can't celebrate it. He was in line for a big bump that may last until the next election. That is pretty much gone.

Who cares though? He's not going for a third term.

I think how the entire party looks is more important and the Republicans look bad.


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