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He's had it all. There is one common denominator, and that is Jay Cutler. I've held out as long as I can. The missed blocks are partially because of Jay Cutler. The lack of getting the ball out on time is partially because of Jay Cutler. The missed opportunites are ALL because of Jay Cutler. The interceptions are ALL because of Jay Cutler. Marc Trestman will be the end of Jay Cutler. He wants someone who throws on time and who can deliver the ball quickly. Jay Cutler is counting the end of his days. Thanks for stringing me out for four years, asshole.

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he just needs a 2nd guy to throw to

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The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


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You just miss Kyle Orton.

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The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


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too early for this alarm. So far,I think Cutler is having a great season FOR HIM. He is no PManning or Tom Brady but the dumb INT's have been cut down and I see him throwing out of bounds when he doesn't have a play for once.

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350+ yards, 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Definitely the problem.

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Seems that most of Cutler's pass plays are not accurate enough to allow for yards after catch. The big completions rarely have someone catching in stride. I know Brees is an all-time great, so it's not a fair comparison, but almost every one of his passes are exactly where they should be....even the incompletions. Cutler's passes, on the other hand, are usually "close enough" for a receiver (or a defender) to make a play on, but not in the ideal position. Of course, the one pass Jay did throw perfectly today was dropped by Bennett.

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350+ yards, 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Definitely the problem.


Much of that in garbage time, though.

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350+ yards, 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Definitely the problem.
So his stats matter now?

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Maybe?
I don't know!

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Maybe?


Well, do they or not? If you make the insinuation, then follow through on it.

Let me answer for you... they don't today. The Bears put up 18 points and looked stagnant for the entire first half. Weak side blitzes made us look horrible. Is it all the offensive line? Is it the new coach? It's certainly possible, but highly unlikely given the body of work we now have to judge. These were the same issues that have plagued the Bears throughout Cutler's entire tenure, regardless of staff or personnel.

With the yards he put up today, don't look at me for an excuse there. I've said all along that yardage is irrelevant. He was playing catch-up, which is when he tends to play well because he can just wing it. When we get an offensive coordinator who is content with Jay Cutler running around and throwing up bombs that occasionally work, maybe we will have a system that "fits" him.

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He's had it all. There is one common denominator, and that is Jay Cutler. I've held out as long as I can. The missed blocks are partially because of Jay Cutler. The lack of getting the ball out on time is partially because of Jay Cutler. The missed opportunites are ALL because of Jay Cutler. The interceptions are ALL because of Jay Cutler. Marc Trestman will be the end of Jay Cutler. He wants someone who throws on time and who can deliver the ball quickly. Jay Cutler is counting the end of his days. Thanks for stringing me out for four years, asshole.


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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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350+ yards, 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Definitely the problem.


Much of that in garbage time, though.


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Ignoring Cutler's play for the moment, I thought it was absolutely inexcusable to look so unprepared for the Saints defense in the first half. Cutler fumbling the ball didn't help things either.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


Of course I don't think this team has a single problem. The defense looks average and gives up big plays. They also rely too much on takeaways. The running game is nonexistent and Matt Forte dropped the ball on the first play. That doesn't explain why the offense lays eggs against every decent defense it ever comes across.

I was a big Cutler supporter from the minute he came to the Bears. I made excuses. I said it was the offensive line, then a lack of weapons, then the lack of an offensive coach... These excuses have all been exhausted.

The Bears (luckily) scored 18 points at home today. Easily could have been 10. The ball was held too long. Blitzes killed them. There was no rhythm. Accuracy was bad. Decisions were bad. There were two specific plays where one could see on TV that he made the wrong choice. Jay Cutler will never be a truly successful NFL QB. I'm not even asking for Manning or Brady or Rodgers. I'm talking about a guy who can just make the plays when it matters and get into an occasional rhythm (but even that won't win you a championship nowadays). Jay Cutler is the offensive problem, and I now see why Josh McDaniels didn't want him to run a rhythm offense in Denver. McDaniels is an idiot, but he was right on that one.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


When the defense was great and Cutler sucked everyone else was at fault. He has the quarterback whisperer and nothing has changed. How many people have lost their job because of him?

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The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


When the defense was great and Cutler sucked everyone else was at fault. He has the quarterback whisperer and nothing has changed. How many people have lost their job because of him?

It was never just because of him though. They had legitimately bad offensive pieces around him and the coaching staff failed in multiple ways unrelated to Cutler as well. If he continues to perform in an unsatisfactory manner at the end of the season, be gone with him, but to pretend that the failures over the last 4 years were purely because of Cutler or that he's the one problem now is just as unrealistic as anyone attempting to absolve him of blame entirely.


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It was never just because of him though. They had legitimately bad offensive pieces around him and the coaching staff failed in multiple ways unrelated to Cutler as well. If he continues to perform in an unsatisfactory manner at the end of the season, be gone with him, but to pretend that the failures over the last 4 years were purely because of Cutler or that he's the one problem now is just as unrealistic as anyone attempting to absolve him of blame entirely.
It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.

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The problem with all Bears discussions is that everyone wants to pick out one single variable and lay all of the blame on that person/unit. Cutler is A problem, but so is Trestman's playcalling, so is the defense's discipline and tackling, so are Emerys personnel decisions. It's great you're mad about being strung along or whatever but you're just opening yourself up to be strung along even more if you think this team has a single problem.


When the defense was great and Cutler sucked everyone else was at fault. He has the quarterback whisperer and nothing has changed. How many people have lost their job because of him?

It was never just because of him though. They had legitimately bad offensive pieces around him and the coaching staff failed in multiple ways unrelated to Cutler as well. If he continues to perform in an unsatisfactory manner at the end of the season, be gone with him, but to pretend that the failures over the last 4 years were purely because of Cutler or that he's the one problem now is just as unrealistic as anyone attempting to absolve him of blame entirely.


Who is trying to do either one of those? I'm saying that, offensively, Cutler is the MAIN problem. He's the quarterback, for christ sake. We're not talking about a slot receiver here. He is the only variable left to explain why the Bears' offense frequently looks like Mike in Milwaukee is calling the plays.

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It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.


Especially when he cost you two first-round picks, a starting QB, and $50 million.

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Cutler is a bad quarterback. I came to this conclusion after the Martz firing and I don't understand how some people just can't see it or admit it by now.


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The problem with the bears is that they are never bad enough to get a star QB so they either have to sign a free agent or take a chance on a lesser draft pick. The free agent signings have been less than stellar so that's why they don't have a Brees, Peyton, Rodgers or Brady.

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Obviously it just shows how smart Lovie was. He didn't buy into Cutler so he didn't waste the effort to go crazy bringing in offensive talent, on-field or coaching. Concentrated on defense and special teams because he knew it was the best chance. I'm only 1/2 kidding.


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The problem with the bears is that they are never bad enough to get a star QB so they either have to sign a free agent or take a chance on a lesser draft pick. The free agent signings have been less than stellar so that's why they don't have a Brees, Peyton, Rodgers or Brady.
The Bears had a great chance at Brees but they were still in love with Rex Grossman.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.


Especially when he cost you two first-round picks, a starting QB, and $50 million.


The "starting QB" is not worth mentioning, especially since Cutler is better and Orton hasn't been a starting QB for two years now.

Two first round picks is steep indeed, and I think what it's bought you is a slightly above-average QB. I don't think he's the QB of the future anymore, but I'd rather have him than whatever Angelo planned to do during the draft around the time Cutler was acquired.

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I think the problem is the loss of Dave Taub. This new guy has a special team screw up every week.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The problem with the bears is that they are never bad enough to get a star QB so they either have to sign a free agent or take a chance on a lesser draft pick. The free agent signings have been less than stellar so that's why they don't have a Brees, Peyton, Rodgers or Brady.
The Bears had a great chance at Brees but they were still in love with Rex Grossman.


What's ironic about Bumpkin's post is that every QB on his list except Manning was not a lottery pick.

Rodgers: Late first round
Brees: Second round
Brady: Sixth round

You can get someone late if you know what you're doing, and clearly the Bears had trouble with that from time to time in the draft. But then again, so does every team.

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