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The problem with the bears is that they are never bad enough to get a star QB so they either have to sign a free agent or take a chance on a lesser draft pick. The free agent signings have been less than stellar so that's why they don't have a Brees, Peyton, Rodgers or Brady.
The Bears had a great chance at Brees but they were still in love with Rex Grossman.


What's ironic about Bumpkin's post is that every QB on his list except Manning was not a lottery pick.

Rodgers: Late first round
Brees: Second round
Brady: Sixth round

You can get someone late if you know what you're doing, and clearly the Bears had trouble with that from time to time in the draft. But then again, so does every team.


I did not do my homework. You are correct about the picks. My post was shit.

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The problem with the bears is that they are never bad enough to get a star QB so they either have to sign a free agent or take a chance on a lesser draft pick. The free agent signings have been less than stellar so that's why they don't have a Brees, Peyton, Rodgers or Brady.
The Bears had a great chance at Brees but they were still in love with Rex Grossman.


What's ironic about Bumpkin's post is that every QB on his list except Manning was not a lottery pick.

Rodgers: Late first round
Brees: Second round
Brady: Sixth round

You can get someone late if you know what you're doing, and clearly the Bears had trouble with that from time to time in the draft. But then again, so does every team.




I did not do my homework. You are correct about the picks. My post was shit.


:lol: Well your point still stands about them being just good enough to miss out on some juicy, early-round prospects. Charles Barkley said you want to either be really good or really bad in the NBA, and I agree with him, but I'm not so sure about football. Middle of the pack teams like the Bears and last year's Ravens sometimes go on to win it all. Cutler is definitely not a top-tier QB, but the hope is he's just good enough to give the Bears a chance in the playoffs. If he's not even that then it's definitely time to part ways.

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Plus none of them are lottery picks because there's no lottery in the NFL. :alien:


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It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.


Especially when he cost you two first-round picks, a starting QB, and $50 million.


The "starting QB" is not worth mentioning, especially since Cutler is better and Orton hasn't been a starting QB for two years now.


Of course it's worth mentioning. Starting-caliber NFL QBs are a precious commodity, and he was a starter at the time.

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Plus none of them are lottery picks because there's no lottery in the NFL. :alien:


Good call, that's my NBA bias. I guess what I meant is they've been out of the top 10 or 13 for the better part of the last ten years or so.

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Jay was great today, and posted his highest QB rating of the year, 128.1. Bears fans should kknow better than to blame Jay for todays loss.

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Jay was great today, and posted his highest QB rating of the year, 128.1. Bears fans should kknow better than to blame Jay for todays loss.

Context context context.


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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.


Especially when he cost you two first-round picks, a starting QB, and $50 million.


The "starting QB" is not worth mentioning, especially since Cutler is better and Orton hasn't been a starting QB for two years now.


Of course it's worth mentioning. Starting-caliber NFL QBs are a precious commodity, and he was a starter at the time.


Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.

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Cutler's great at politicking the Bears front-office to keep from having a legitimate back-up QB the entire time he's been with the Bears.

Probably why he's reportedly the first player to arrive at Halas Hall and the last to leave each day.


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Jay was great today, and posted his highest QB rating of the year, 128.1. Bears fans should kknow better than to blame Jay for todays loss.


QUIT STEALING MY BIT!

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Jay was great today, and posted his highest QB rating of the year, 128.1. Bears fans should kknow better than to blame Jay for todays loss.

Context context context.


Phenomenal job by him carving up the prevent defense at the end of the half and the end of the game.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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It's the NFL. The QB does matter that much.

"It wasn't all his fault" doesn't really mean much.


Especially when he cost you two first-round picks, a starting QB, and $50 million.


The "starting QB" is not worth mentioning, especially since Cutler is better and Orton hasn't been a starting QB for two years now.


Of course it's worth mentioning. Starting-caliber NFL QBs are a precious commodity, and he was a starter at the time.

C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


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People thought the Patriots were absolute morons when after the injury they didn't let Bledsoe get his job back from Brady.

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Scorehead wrote:
Jay was great today, and posted his highest QB rating of the year, 128.1. Bears fans should kknow better than to blame Jay for todays loss.


This post pretty much sums up your brilliance on all matters.

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He's not the problem, but he's a problem, and that's enough.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


Agreed.

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C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

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He's not the problem, but he's a problem, and that's enough.

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He's not the problem, but he's a problem, and that's enough.
In the future, he'll be a 20 million dollar problem. 18 million if Philadelphia and Tampa aren't desperate.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


Agreed.

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C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

The guy that got benched for Tim Tebow?


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Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


Agreed.

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C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

The guy that got benched for Tim Tebow?
The guy that isn't sitting on his couch reading the bible?

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He's not the problem, but he's a problem, and that's enough.
In the future, he'll be a 20 million dollar problem. 18 million if Philadelphia and Tampa aren't desperate.


This is my biggest problem. The Bears are going to give a mediocre QB more than $15M a season. There are better ways to spend that money. He not worth it either.

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Orton sucks and Tebow was horrendous. Let's not get off topic.

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Orton sucks and Tebow was horrendous. Let's not get off topic.


Just say no to Cutler.

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Orton sucks and Tebow was horrendous. Let's not get off topic.


Just say no to Cutler.


Amen Brother.

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Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


Agreed.

KDdidit wrote:
C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

The guy that got benched for Tim Tebow?
The guy that isn't sitting on his couch reading the bible?

I know it still burns you Orton got benched for Tebow, it's okay to let go. The healing will start.


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I know it still burns you Orton got benched for Tebow, it's okay to let go. The healing will start.
Just making sure you weren't honestly making the case that Tebow was at any point in his life a better qb.

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This is my biggest problem. The Bears are going to give a mediocre QB more than $15M a season. There are better ways to spend that money. He not worth it either.


I worry about this too, but I think they realize what they have - otherwise, they would have extended or resigned him last year.

You don't let someone who's truly worth 15M+ get to free agency if you can avoid it.


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Just say no to Cutler.


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I don't think Cutler gets that much on the open market. He's not a spring chicken, and his career numbers are average. Add in his reputation as a bitch, and you've got yourself a journeyman going forward.

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Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


Agreed.

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C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

The guy that got benched for Tim Tebow?


You're right. The first-rounders don't matter either, since Angelo would have blown them anyway. When you think about it, the Bears got Cutler for nothing.

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