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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:24 am 
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Oh come on. IDK Cutlers rating or that other number last night but he was damn near perfect as far as I am concerned.


Yeah, against a terrible defense. Amazing.

Cutler has been the embodiment of mediocrity since arriving in Chicago. Unbelievable physical attributes, unbelievably shallow understanding of how to play his position.


Cutler is a top 5 QB by paser rating or QBR. He's on pace for a 32 TD season with 16 picks and about 4,400 yards. He's making good decisions and not forcing for the most part. What are you talking about?


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They were something like 14-47 when trailing at the half and was close to 20-40 against teams with winning records. Those are my numbers.


But he's got an overall winning record, two championship games and a super bowl appearance. He had to beat winning teams to get to those places, and had a promising 7-1 season derailed by a season ending injury to Cutler.

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Oh come on. IDK Cutlers rating or that other number last night but he was damn near perfect as far as I am concerned.


Yeah, against a terrible defense. Amazing.

Cutler has been the embodiment of mediocrity since arriving in Chicago. Unbelievable physical attributes, unbelievably shallow understanding of how to play his position.


Cutler is a top 5 QB by paser rating or QBR. He's on pace for a 32 TD season with 16 picks and about 4,400 yards. He's making good decisions and not forcing for the most part. What are you talking about?


Context, my man. He looked real good throwing for TDs and yards against Detroit and New Orleans while facing double digit deficits. Those deficits weren't always his fault, but it'd be more impressive if he accumulated those stats while building leads and putting teams away, as opposed to taking advantage of soft coverage designed to protect huge leads. Any half decent QB can throw for big numbers in garbage time. The most impressive Cutler performance this year is probably the Cincy game because his stats were accumulated during the course of coming back to win a close game.

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Beardown wrote:
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Oh come on. IDK Cutlers rating or that other number last night but he was damn near perfect as far as I am concerned.


Yeah, against a terrible defense. Amazing.

Cutler has been the embodiment of mediocrity since arriving in Chicago. Unbelievable physical attributes, unbelievably shallow understanding of how to play his position.


Cutler is a top 5 QB by paser rating or QBR. He's on pace for a 32 TD season with 16 picks and about 4,400 yards. He's making good decisions and not forcing for the most part. What are you talking about?
So his statistics all of a sudden matter? For a long time, we heard how the stats he put up really didn't show his true value.

He's also 9th in passer rating. One spot behind Terrelle Pryor. :lol:

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Who the hell said stats don't matter? Not me. Sometimes they can be misleading in certain games. But his stats are great so far this year. Not to mention his 4 or 5 big runs to pick up first downs this year.

He's also 48-24 as a Bears starter if you just want to care about wins. 1-1 in the playoffs and he didn't finish the game in that loss.


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Who the hell said stats don't matter? Not me. Sometimes they can be misleading in certain games. But his stats are great so far this year. Not to mention his 4 or 5 big runs to pick up first downs this year.
That is a new thing this year. Before that, all we heard was how his statistics didn't accurately show his value.
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He's also 48-24 as a Bears starter if you just want to care about wins. 1-1 in the playoffs and he didn't finish the game in that loss.
All he does is win!

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Whatever. This year he's no worse than the 7th best QB in the NFL. Most logical thinking people would agree with that.


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Whatever. This year he's no worse than the 7th best QB in the NFL. Most logical thinking people would agree with that.
Do you think Jay Cutler is better than Tom Brady?

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I don't really get the Cutler polarization. Maybe it is because he is great by Bears standards but isn't Marino like or something? I am not saying everyone needs to want to keep him with tag or extension but geez all the guy has done is win mostly and gave his best. Moody, weird and all that sure. I do not say like others he is the best Bears QB all time yet. In my lifetime though maybe Kramer (stats not many wins) and McMahon (wins but not many stats) are about as close as you get to this guy.

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I don't really get the Cutler polarization. Maybe it is because he is great by Bears standards but isn't Marino like or something? I am not saying everyone needs to want to keep him with tag or extension but geez all the guy has done is win mostly and gave his best. Moody, weird and all that sure. I do not say like others he is the best Bears QB all time yet. In my lifetime though maybe Kramer (stats not many wins) and McMahon (wins but not many stats) are about as close as you get to this guy.


Assuming you're younger than 50 or so, a guy being the best Bears QB of your lifetime doesn't really count for much.

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If the Defense is able to get off the field in Detroit and against the Saints, Bears have a much better shot to win both games, even with the 4 turnovers. Each game the D has allowed long sustained scoring drives multiple times. What did the Bengals have, 3 scoring drives of over 80 yards? Can't win doing allowing that unless you take the ball away.

If the D is finally able to stop teams on 3rd down and get off the field, the offense has a chance to put points on the board then.
Still the Bears biggest problem, and so far the biggest difference in this year's team compared to the past few years.

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If the Defense is able to get off the field in Detroit and against the Saints, Bears have a much better shot to win both games, even with the 4 turnovers. Each game the D has allowed long sustained scoring drives multiple times. What did the Bengals have, 3 scoring drives of over 80 yards? Can't win doing allowing that unless you take the ball away.

If the D is finally able to stop teams on 3rd down and get off the field, the offense has a chance to put points on the board then.
Still the Bears biggest problem, and so far the biggest difference in this year's team compared to the past few years.


It's a problem that won't go away until they get upgrades on the line and perhaps the secondary, too.

I disagree about Detroit; if you look at the scoring drives log, the Lions went around 90 something total yards over four possessions to score 24 points in the first half. That's like 24 yards per drive, thanks to turnovers and a long punt return. I actually think the D did fine that game given the circumstances.

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If the Defense is able to get off the field in Detroit and against the Saints, Bears have a much better shot to win both games, even with the 4 turnovers. Each game the D has allowed long sustained scoring drives multiple times. What did the Bengals have, 3 scoring drives of over 80 yards? Can't win doing allowing that unless you take the ball away.

If the D is finally able to stop teams on 3rd down and get off the field, the offense has a chance to put points on the board then.
Still the Bears biggest problem, and so far the biggest difference in this year's team compared to the past few years.
Today proved once and for all that Cutler or whoever is the QB is not the problem by any means. Its the awful defense. Once again this D just could not get off the field on 3rd down and allowed long drives that resulted in TDs.

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McCown was better than Cutler. Defense has some valid reasons for not playing well. Cutler doesn't. He didn't show up again. #Fact

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Defense is what lost the games against the Saints and Redskins. 3 drives yesterday the Skins converted at least 2 third downs. Just bad. The onside kick showed how little they trusted the defense late in the game yesterday. I know you are trying to take a differing side Nas, but you are incorrect with this. #ALLofthisis100%TRUTH

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Defense is what lost the games against the Saints and Redskins. 3 drives yesterday the Skins converted at least 2 third downs. Just bad. The onside kick showed how little they trusted the defense late in the game yesterday. I know you are trying to take a differing side Nas, but you are incorrect with this. #ALLofthisis100%TRUTH
How many games has the defense won this year?

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No more than 1. The Giants game would be about it, and even during that game, after the 2 early picks, Eli was moving the Giants up and down the field.

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Defense is what lost the games against the Saints and Redskins. 3 drives yesterday the Skins converted at least 2 third downs. Just bad. The onside kick showed how little they trusted the defense late in the game yesterday. I know you are trying to take a differing side Nas, but you are incorrect with this. #ALLofthisis100%TRUTH


The defense was bad especially in the 2nd half. You glossing over the fact that the Bears wouldn't have been in the game in the first half if it weren't for the defense. The offense was bad. This is the reason why I do it. Just about every game you and others come here and act as if Cutler isn't responsible for the outcome UNLESS the Bears win.

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No more than 1. The Giants game would be about it, and even during that game, after the 2 early picks, Eli was moving the Giants up and down the field.


The Bears defense played a major role in the Bengals and Steelers game too. Sure they are breaking more than they used to but they're still forcing a bunch of turnovers.

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Defense is what lost the games against the Saints and Redskins. 3 drives yesterday the Skins converted at least 2 third downs. Just bad. The onside kick showed how little they trusted the defense late in the game yesterday. I know you are trying to take a differing side Nas, but you are incorrect with this. #ALLofthisis100%TRUTH


The defense was bad especially in the 2nd half. You glossing over the fact that the Bears wouldn't have been in the game in the first half if it weren't for the defense. The offense was bad. This is the reason why I do it. Just about every game you and others come here and act as if Cutler isn't responsible for the outcome UNLESS the Bears win.


The defense is bad. Real bad. Tillman and Briggs are good. They were "kept in the game in the first half" because Tillman and Briggs made plays. When they stopped/were hurt, the defense resumed sucking.

The Bears are now like watching a bad college team play Alabama every week. You just hope their offense does something stupid because they have no ability to stop anybody. At one point they were throwing out Bass, Costanzo, Cohen, Greene, Frey, etc. That's a bad defense.

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You're crazy, Nas. I haven't said one thing about Cutler or McCown yesterday, and you want to pin yesterday's loss on Cutler? The guy who was knocked out of the game in the middle of the second quarter? Maybe I just should blame the bad defensive play yesterday on Henry Melton. That makes just as much sense at what you are trying to say.

The offense put 34 points on the board (most of which came via the backup QB), and the Bears lost. How can you possibly blame the offense for that shit yesterday? Sure the defense was depleted, but the Redskins converted THREE 3rd down plays on their last TD drive. Injuries or not, this is a professional football team and its not that much to ask the defense to get a stop when your team has the lead late in the 4th quarter. They needed to go out there and do their job and they failed.

Don't even talk about the pick 6 (off a pass that hit the WR in the hands!) because the Bears had 10 yards to go after their interception, and Hester returned a kick as well. If anything the Bears had the advantage there. I know you like to take opposing viewpoints to stir things up on occasion, but you are way out of your element on this one, Donny.

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under Trestman? Game 1 so obviously the identity is still in the process of emerging but that was pretty much a Lovie Smith win yesterday. Bend but don't break, hang around, let Cutler orchestrate the 4Q and let the other team mistake its way into a victory for us.

There was nothing remarkable about this from an offensive standpoint. I understand the Bengals are a good defensive team but there was nothing really even in the look of what they were doing.


I assume last night's game finally brought more clarity. Led by a QB committed to the system, the Bears' offense took a step forward. Against a good defense playing against a limited, career backup, we saw four scoring drives that each went 60+ yards, two of which went for 80+ yards. We'll see what happens moving forward, but I think last night's game suggests there are many discernible differences between this offense and the offenses of the past several years.

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Yes. Last night was a coming out party for Trestman in my opinion. There was such a clear game plan and coaching made all the difference in the world for Mc Cown.

Count me in as officially sold on Trestman.

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Agreed^^


this coach can actually beat teams over .500 unlike milkdud. I'm starting to believe in trestman, if he cuts ties with Cutler after this season I'm all in.

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