26 Million on Firstbase/DH position.

Cheaper than paying Albert Pujols

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Paul Goldschmidt, Freddie Freeman make 500k

I thought only JORR worried about JR's money.

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How many millions does Anthony Rizzo and his .735 OPS make

I would think the Sox would do almost anything they can to rid themselves of that Dunn contract for 2014. Anything short of flat out cutting him that is.

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He makes 6% of what the Best Hitter in the World is gonna make.


But I dont care about JR's money. Ive just long thought that First base is good place to save money on a roster

Congrats to the Sox for signing "Fidel Fukadome"

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq87xeo22go

go to 2:30

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No bat flip on a no doubter, this guy sucks.

McCann still hates him.

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What do you think? To me,it reminds me too much of Fukadome.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

fukudome never hit a ball that far in his life.

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Ok,but so did Carl Pagel,Hal Breeden,etc.. The minors are full of guys that could hit them deep & far. They don't get called up with THAT contract.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Well, he's similar to Fukudome, in that he is an unknown commodity that signed a huge contract. Other than that.....???

BTW I loved Fukudome in theory. Solid player in a lot of ways. I thought he would have more power though.

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Yeah,I would have been happy if he was a "Gregg Gross" clone (remember him?)
He still had decent OBP but his average sunk as the seasons went on.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Abreu is an aggressive move that could bust. IIRC a lot of the chatter at the time of the Puig signing was chirping about the Doyer overpaying. I believe Hahn made the right move. They had a window of opportunity to get a potentially impact bat without weakening the rest of the club, or giving up the vital draft picks they desperately need to restock the farm. ~$11MM/yr for a league-averagish 1B is not that much money. The caveat then- he has to hit like a league averagish 1B. For a team that had a horrendous W/L record, there are more core pieces than people give them credit for. Sale is a top 5 pitcher. The most expensive and risky commodity to acquire in baseball historically has been an ace, horse pitcher. Quintana actually finished top 25 in fWAR ahead of much more highly regarded names such as Bumgarner, Corbin, Zimmermann and Strasburg. Even Danks and Floyd offer some bounce-back potential. Cooper is one of the few positional coaches in the game that makes a genuine difference, both in overall health and performance.

They freed up a bunch of money by trading Rios and Peavy, and in return got a player with a 6+ win ceiling. If he hits, the pitching staff is good enough to eventually carry him and some combo of Avisail Garcia, Marcus Semien, Shrewd FA Signings (as the Red Sock did last offseason) to the playoffs. If he doesn’t hit, they suck… just like they sucked last year. Don’t see much downside.

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for those of you wondering what a "league averagish 1B" might look like- i submit to you the following statistical profiles.


A. .246/.341/.423 116 wRC+
B. .279/.362/.457 125 wRC+
C. .256/.337/.522 137 wRC+
D. .288/.357/.497 132 wRC+
E. .233/.323/.419 102 wRC+


Player A is Nick Swisher.
Player B is Prince Fielder. (yes he was very average-ish; offensively)
Player C is Brandon Moss.
Player D is Adam Lind. (he is really a DH)
Player E is Anthony Rizzo. (included here for contrast-- this almost could spawn a new topic, so we won't get into his merits here)

Players A-E were respectively, the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th most valuable first basemen by fWAR in 2013. I'd almost be willing to wager actual money, that Abreu has a chance to be better than all of them at some point in his contract. We will have 6 years to see if this statement is correct.

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As an aside-- the Sawx actually out-Theo'd Theo. They canned a questionable Old-School "chemistry" manager in Valentine that the players had clearly tuned out, and promoted a guy that had a questionable track record (and had already suffered at least one player mutiny in Toronto). They got the Doyer to take the mega contracts of decent-but-not-star players AGonz, Crawford, and Beckett, and replaced them with the likes of thought-to-be-middle-tier guys Napoli, Victorino, and Uehara and rode them to the World Series. Meanwhile, the Coob has lost more games than they ever have over a 2 year period, and are going through an ugly managerial replacement that will likely leave them hiring someone of the ilk of a Rick Renteria or Dave Martinez who would probably not be on any other franchises THEOretical short list of managers that can go from Point A to Point B.

Now I realize you can couch my commentary in bias re: allegiance to your primary rivalry; but in a vacuum-- these guys on the farm better hit. I trust that Almora, Baez, et al are legit... but if they aren't legit MLB players, well... Cub fans have been down this road many times before.

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That reads more like an indictment of fWAR than as any particular accolade for Quintana.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You must be confusing me with someone else. I don't give a shit about Jerry's money except when it's tied up in turds that can't play baseball. That's why I had to laugh at a pie chart in the Tribune showing that 85% of fans approved of the signing. Most fans will approve of any big free agent signing. People always want someone else to "do something", whether it's a good idea or not.

I think this was actually a relatively low risk move considering the guy will be making less than Rios and Dunn. I have to believe you're going to get more production out of him than you did from those two.

But if you're a Sox fan, you better be worried about Jerry's money. Because the fact that a huge chunk of it is being deposited into the bank account of "Losing Pitcher" John Danks is a big obstacle to making the team better.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

that was in reference to your love of "at least he's cheap" DeAza. though he will make at least $4M in arbitration.

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If they think that's the case, I can't see how they would offer him arbitration.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

DeAza isn't bad. He's bad leading off and bad in CF, but thats not his fault. Its the fault of Hahn and the White Sox for playing him out of position. DeAza looks worlds better hitting 2nd, 7th, or 8th and playing a corner OF spot.

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De Aza is bad because he's a dumb baseball player. The Sox were a dumb baseball team last year and they have to take this opportunity to weed out the dopes. De Aza is dope #1 that has to go.

I don't think so. If they can hit DeAza somewhere other than leadoff, and play him in RF or LF, he becomes much more valuable to the team.

The top two people they need to get rid of somehow are Dunn and Alexei, and 80% of the bullpen.

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I don't have the same kind of hard-on against DeAza that Keyser does, but he's starting to not be inexpensive anymore. Danks finally looked like he wasn't absolutely befuddled by major league pitching during the second half, so if you're not going on the market to get a centerfielder, I would suggest trying Danks there and getting rid of DeAza is probably the way to go. But the Sox as an organization seem to have this fucked up idea about what a lead-off man is supposed to be and without DeAza they don't have anyone who fits their prototype. If you think that Beckham is going to take a step forward, he is probably your best bet- though certainly not perfect- but I suspect the Sox are still fantasizing about him hitting for more power than he likely ever will.

Anyway, I hope the team will look even more radically different going into next season than it does now.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It doesn't matter where he hits because he is still going to run them out of innings with his stupid base running and it doesn't matter where he plays because he's still going to allow runs to score by getting bad jumps, overthrowing the cutoff man and throwing to the wrong base.

I agree with getting rid of Alexei and Dunn. They are dopes #2 and #3.

this team needs some guys who can flat out hit. What's the easiest position to find somebody who can hit? Probably LF, which is where DeAza would be least bad. He's gotta go. Remember Greg Luzinski in Philly? That's the kind of guy we need in LF.

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You can read it however you wish. WAR is a counting stat, much like your precious W.

The point I was trying to make is that the WS in general, and Quintana/ Santiago in specific, are not likely to lead any categories in the glamor department, but in de facto importance are pretty effective in getting major league hitters out in at least an average fashion.

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